T20 fergie,hard steering

[fOXTOOTH]

Just jumping in here.
Is the job a big one resealing the steering? Those arms need to be pressed out? Mine leaks like a seive also. I just use grease. Kinda afraid to tackle the resealing job.

It IS a big job to R&R the steering I can tell you that, but according to JDD above you dont have to R&R the steering to seal the arms, maybe he can expand on how he got the old seals out. In my case the bearings both top and bottom had almost completely disintegrated - I was probably steering this tractor without them for a good while. My shop manual is vague on whether or not the arms need pressed out, and I'm not feeling like taking it apart that far, but I would say no. You might only have to unbolt the sector from the arm on the inside. I'm attaching pix of my TO30 steering: first one will show the shaft pinion where it meets the sectors, the bearing cone is moved up on the shaft but belongs lower on the pinion. Second is upside down the bolt connection to the sector, third is upside down with the arms pointing to rear of tractor just to show the sectors

 

[GSW]

It IS a big job to R&R the steering I can tell you that, but according to JDD above you dont have to R&R the steering to seal the arms, maybe he can expand on how he got the old seals out. In my case the bearings both top and bottom had almost completely disintegrated - I was probably steering this tractor without them for a good while. My shop manual is vague on whether or not the arms need pressed out, and I'm not feeling like taking it apart that far, but I would say no. You might only have to unbolt the sector from the arm on the inside. I'm attaching pix of my TO30 steering: first one will show the shaft pinion where it meets the sectors, the bearing cone is moved up on the shaft but belongs lower on the pinion. Second is upside down the bolt connection to the sector, third is upside down with the arms pointing to rear of tractor just to show the sectors

Im going to let well enough alone.
Im a person that dosnt need more trouble than I have now.
Thanks for your info.!

 

[KJB34269]

I have a TE-20 with narrow front tires and a TO-30 with wide front tires. There is a night and day difference between the way they steer. The TO-30 takes much more effort to steer.

 

[fOXTOOTH]

Nice looking tractors. Mine is pretty ruff, I bought it that way and have used it to plow fields, haul firewood, grade and mow so it is worth it to me to tackle this steering issue - no matter how many cuss words it takes! Im assuming you did an R&R on the TO30 steering?

 

[GSW]

I have a TE-20 with narrow front tires and a TO-30 with wide front tires. There is a night and day difference between the way they steer. The TO-30 takes much more effort to steer.

Yes someone else told me about using skinnier tires. My tires are not really skinny 5 in ? Wide

 

[T@G]

My steering box was leaking aswell, you could refill it and look it seeping past seals slowly during weeks.

I, like i see many else, fixed the situation by pumping it full of NLGI 0 consistency ( pick your favourite) grease. Works like a charm, and dont seep past. No more leakages, and ateering has stayed consistent and light on its feel.

 

[GSW]

My steering box was leaking aswell, you could refill it and look it seeping past seals slowly during weeks.

I, like i see many else, fixed the situation by pumping it full of NLGI 0 consistency ( pick your favourite) grease. Works like a charm, and dont seep past. No more leakages, and ateering has stayed consistent and light on its feel.

Does heavy grease get moisture,and freeze,or go hard in winter?

 

[T@G]

Depends of the grease of your choice. What i use, description shamelesly copypasted from manufacturer.

•Excellent adhesion on metal surfaces
•Excellent pumpability also during wintertime
•Good protection against shock loads
•Excellent water protection

Neste OH Grease 0 is made of high viscosity mineral oil and calcium-12-hydroxystearate. The product has excellent adhesion to metal surfaces, tackified structure, excellent pumpability and excellent resistance against water. These properties give good protection against wear and corrosion for longer service intervals. EP and antiwear additives of Neste OH Grease 0 give excellent protection against heavy or shock loads.

 

[KJB34269]

Im assuming you did an R&R on the TO30 steering?

If you are asking me, no I just picked up the TO30 a couple weeks ago and haven't done anything to it other than to change the oil. Next project will be getting the juice out of the tires. I don't need the extra weight for any reason.

 

[pomester]

I don't need the extra weight for any reason.

Maybe not, but be aware that the tractor will be less stable on hilly ground...

 

[John Deere D]

I have a TE-20 with narrow front tires and a TO-30 with wide front tires. There is a night and day difference between the way they steer. The TO-30 takes much more effort to steer.

Just imagine the internal forces / torque on the steering gear box......If you had tires say,12"wide you would soon destroy the internal workings of the steering gear box....however the Tractor would look Cool to others...maybe.

I own a 1963 MF 35 X .
The previous owner was extremely strong. After installing a LOADER.... the steering box eventually was destroyed.

 

[GSW]

Just imagine the internal forces / torque on the steering gear box......If you had tires say,12"wide you would soon destroy the internal workings of the steering gear box....however the Tractor would look Cool to others...maybe.

I own a 1963 MF 35 X .
The previous owner was extremely strong. After installing a LOADER.... the steering box eventually was destroyed.

my dad had a 8 N i believe.His small tires rotted,and he put truck tires on.used it for years.Till the insert went.Were the 2N,8N fergie stronger in the steering box?

 

[John Deere D]

my dad had a 8 N i believe.His small tires rotted,and he put truck tires on.used it for years.Till the insert went.Were the 2N,8N fergie stronger in the steering box?

This pic has been around for a long time...........
Someone was thinking outside the box.......
Then again, Henry Ford.?........... had a planetary gear arrangement under the steering wheel, of one of his early vehicles......

 

[fOXTOOTH]

Purchase a parts Book.........

Interestingly enough I was able to view the parts book on my 52 TO30 steering and it does not show or mention the way the sectors are attached to the steering arms with clamps and bolts/nuts

 

[pomester]

Interestingly enough I was able to view the parts book on my 52 TO30 steering and it does not show or mention the way the sectors are attached to the steering arms with clamps and bolts/nuts

That would be a job for the service manual. Available from our host.

 

[John Deere D]

Interestingly enough I was able to view the parts book on my 52 TO30 steering and it does not show or mention the way the sectors are attached to the steering arms with clamps and bolts/nuts

Items # 29 /28 "Steering Arms",have a MALE SPLINTED end.

These splines enter into Items # 27 "Steering Gear Sector" and it's opposite side counter part FEMALE Splines.

These "Steering Gear Sectors"have a Pinch Bolt (Item D) that clamps the "Steering Gear Sector" solidly to the steering Arms.

View the pic as per below in the Parts Catalogue...

 

[fOXTOOTH]

Items # 29 /28 "Steering Arms",have a MALE SPLINTED end.

These splines enter into Items # 27 "Steering Gear Sector" and it's opposite side counter part FEMALE Splines.

These "Steering Gear Sectors"have a Pinch Bolt (Item D) that clamps the "Steering Gear Sector" solidly to the steering Arms.

View the pic as per below in the Parts Catalogue...

That IS what I am talking about~ viewing the pic in the parts catalogue does not show the clamps and the bolts/nuts. So if I were to view the arrangement of parts, I would not be able to see said parts. Jussayin, not bringing your wisdom to question. I am not privy to the printed wording information you shared...unless it is in the shop manual then I may be.

 

[John Deere D]

That IS what I am talking about~ viewing the pic in the parts catalogue does not show the clamps and the bolts/nuts. So if I were to view the arrangement of parts, I would not be able to see said parts. Jussayin, not bringing your wisdom to question. I am not privy to the printed wording information you shared...unless it is in the shop manual then I may be.

A pic you may have commented on or seen earlier posted.

If you open pic and enlarge pic .........you shall see:

These "Steering Gear Sectors"have a Pinch Bolt (Item D) that clamps the "Steering Gear Sector"(Female Splines) securely to the steering Arms "Male Splines".

The CLAMP is integral to the "Steering Gear Sectors",The clamp is NOT a separate part.

"IF" the Steering Gear Sectors (Female Splines) are not INDEXED to the "Steering Arms" (Male Splines)

"I would" consider making a reference MARK so as assembly is strait forward.
Quote:
I am not privy to the printed wording information you shared...unless it is in the shop manual then I may be.

The above wording, to the best of my knowledge, is Not in a FERGUSON SERVICE MANUAL.

The Terminology is that, as after I had completed my mechanical apprenticeship,I then returned to Collage and qualified to write the Power engineering exams.

Others may use different terminology depending on their carrier back grounds.

All the best with your Fergy....
Bob..

 

[John Deere D]

I just bought a `1952 T20. I took it for a test before i bought it. It seemed to steer very hard. I told him,and he said they all do.
im kinda worried about that.
I got it very cheap, good shape, starts great motor quiet no smoke. Has" Hupp hi \ lo shifter". Also it dosnt see to be as slow as i figured ,on low gear and the hi low shifter on low.
it does have bigger wheels on back,would that make it go a bit faster in low? The little tractor isnt perfect,but i just want something to play with.
Just dont like the hard steering.Also the alternater isnt charging.He said it was ,but was sitting a couple months.Could it be something simple?
I have more questions,but ill let you all figure these problems out first

Tractor is a TEA-20 Ferguson.........Made in Coventry England...