New Holland 315/ 316 pan kicker, will it work?

[mikewood869]

Ended up looking at a hydraulic pan kicker today (I think the pan kicker is a model 75 or 70), are there any differences in serial numbers since my baler has a older serial; 436071 or will it bolt up with out any holes needing to be drilled? I saw the post from RickB and was just wondering. I know that the engine on the 315 would need to come off and the flywheel is different (doesn't have the groves).

 

[NY 986]

Should bolt right on once the flywheel is switched.

 

[Case30Deutz06]

Hello Mike,
As I said the other day, you do not have to change the flywheel. Every pan thrower I have seen on a NH baler appears to have the same hydraulic pump setup as the New Holland 70 belted thrower I put on my Deutz baler years ago. The grooves are on a pulley ring that is to be installed and bolted onto your baler's existing flywheel. Installation of this ring on your flywheel should be much easier than mine because the OD of lip on the ring should match the ID of your flywheel, and your flywheel should already have the holes for the bolts. I am including another picture of the ring on mine and a random picture from internet of a pan thrower that was removed from a New Holland baler, with that pulley ring shown clearly in the picture.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 13:15:03 03/10/22) Hello Mike,
As I said the other day, you do not have to change the flywheel. Every pan thrower I have seen on a NH baler appears to have the same hydraulic pump setup as the New Holland 70 belted thrower I put on my Deutz baler years ago. The grooves are on a pulley ring that is to be installed and bolted onto your baler's existing flywheel. Installation of this ring on your flywheel should be much easier than mine because the OD of lip on the ring should match the ID of your flywheel, and your flywheel should already have the holes for the bolts. I am including another picture of the ring on mine and a random picture from internet of a pan thrower that was removed from a New Holland baler, with that pulley ring shown clearly in the picture.
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Thanks, only if my flywheel had the holes

 

[Case30Deutz06]

It is just six holes to drill. I did it for mine. I think it would be easier than swapping flywheels.

 

[kossuth]

(quoted from post at 19:51:18 03/11/22) It is just six holes to drill. I did it for mine. I think it would be easier than swapping flywheels.

eah but you have to get it true to center as possible so dont have belt wear issues. Thats the real challenge.

 

[Case30Deutz06]

Correct, you do need the true center. The pulley ring has a lip that goes inside the flywheel for it to be centered. ID of flywheel and OD of the lip of pulley ring match up. The ring seats inside the flywheel. Of course I am assuming that New Holland kept the same flywheel dimensions. But I put the ring on a completely different brand baler/flywheel without an issue.

And honestly at only 540 rpm it can be off true center a little bit and be alright. But the way they are designed it will be perfect.

Installing the ring on ours was the least of the concerns we had installing the New Holland thrower. It was the last step we did because we knew it would be easy. Don't be overthinking things. I could loosen the bolts on our ring and slide it out from the flywheel a little bit and take a picture to show how they fit together if I have to?

 

[Northvale PA]

If you go to a kicker, why not look around for a baler with one and keep yours as standby? I have 2
balers and would never only have one. A breakdown is too risky. Also, you will need sides on your
wagons. Not sure how much hay you do. We have gone up to 1,000 a day but I wouldnt want to hand
stack even one anymore. Stacking in the barn is plenty.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 05:32:40 03/15/22) If you go to a kicker, why not look around for a baler with one and keep yours as standby? I have 2
balers and would never only have one. A breakdown is too risky. Also, you will need sides on your
wagons. Not sure how much hay you do. We have gone up to 1,000 a day but I wouldnt want to hand
stack even one anymore. Stacking in the barn is plenty.
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I was think of going that route of replacing our 68 baler with another baler, but then this kicker came up. I do have one kicker wagon and I could need to make another out of a spare running gear (we made ours a foot to small). We do a few thousand balers a year.

 

[Northvale PA]

I personally would get a second baler. It seems like good deals come along often enough to be on the
lookout. I even purchased a JD 24t in great condition and put a kicker on it for $500 more, for a total of
$800. Years ago now, but the price was cheap and the machines were set up for it. There are equipment
dealers in Lancaster county PA that have kickers available, as the Amish dont use them, so they get
taken off.

 

[NHbalerman]

Im curious about the engine on the 315,I didnt think New Holland offered a engine for the 315 or did you use someother engine mounts

 

[mikewood869]

Supposedly when the previous owner bought the baler new, it had pto, but they didnt have a tractor to power it. They were able to get a Wisconsin v4 and put it on. Eventually they got a bigger tractor (IH 5 series). I guess they they did 10,000 bales with it for around 10 years, then the grandfather died so they went to 5000 for a few years then stopped. They stopped for a bunch of years, then in the last few years they made a few thousand (we bought it in 2020). The motor is out of time a little and is a pain to startup.

A link to the video:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Lx6JBfAReCo?feature=share

 

[mikewood869]

I know it s been a while, the first one that I was looking at didn t seem to pan out. I ended up looking at one today and I didn t notice that the axle was moved back. Would I have to have the axle moved back or is the baler balanced/ factory axle good enough not to have to do a swap. Supposedly this bale kicker might have worked 2 years ago, then the plunger took the needles out and related. The owner wants $700 for everything related to the kicker (it seems to be all there).

The photos aren't uploading, the linl for them:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gSXmjGQdng2x1h7s9

This post was edited by mikewood869 on 06/29/2022 at 05:14 pm.

 

[used2bmike]

Yepper, you'll have to move the plunger side wheel back. New Holland has a axle plate that bolts on in order to do so. When you add a thrower it shifts weight to the rear and will cause balance issues otherwise. Reminds me of a neighbor years ago that was baling one day, looked back in time to see his baler hit the ground on the plunger side and watch the wheel and plate roll off down the hill.