Oliver 1850 Steering Motor Hydraulic Lines

[rrlund]

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Got my wallet cleaned, and oiled..............................see what they say at the hydraulic place. I hope they treat me gentlyView attachment 161149

Doggone thing only lasted 63yrsView attachment 161150View attachment 161151

It'll last 63 more. Think you'll still be around? lol

 

[gary66]

there was a guy on here who restored a tractor, claimed he replaced every nut and bolt. Can't remember his name and after the completion I didn't see much of him on here, He would know. I'm sure someone knows who I'm talking about. I think it was a 2255

 

[farmersamm]

It'll last 63 more. Think you'll still be around? lol

 

[farmersamm]

So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, put the pickup outside the front gate before K'kins went to work (had to move her car out too). Charlie doesn't accept "NO" when it comes to going with me.....have to get the truck outside the perimeter so he can't get to it.

Anyways........................ Off to Tulsa. I hate driving anymore, and especially hate going to the city.

Get to the hose shop.........amble on in............ "I'm here to get hosed". The dood didn't even chuckle (K'kins,, when I called her later, opined that he probably hears that 20 times a week)

Dood takes a look at the hose, and delivers the Wrath of God. I HAVE TO HAVE A COMPRESSION FITTING. I was despondent. He laid hands upon me, and explained that they do a lot of Aerospace stuff.........and it's all spec'd for compression fittings. I was mollified, but still somewhat unsure. It's hard to break a lifetime bias. I put my head on the counter, and sniveled, while he made up the hose.

I did quit dropping snot all over the counter when I got the bill............................................

SO!................................ Mr Lund, and the Oliver Kid.........................I stand corrected. I was wrong, and y'all we're right. Zee case is solv-ed.

Although...................I have this perverse desire that the thing leaks like a sieve

THANKS GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rrlund]

I had one made up one time, put it on and couldn't steer the tractor. Figured I had other problems, but no. Turned out, the guy crimped it had the press set too high and crushed the fitting on the inside. Had to make another one.

 

[scootergmc]

Wait- all that and you only did one? I thought you were going to do them all?

 

[farmersamm]

Wait- all that and you only did one? I thought you were going to do them all?

I absolutely agree...........but I need to feed, and pull bales off the field. The loader is still down.

Which brings up another Uranus Inc project in the near future......................a 2 bale, 3pt attachment. Need to get more bang for the buck. A lousy interim solution, but it is what it is. Fairly simple weldout.

 

[m16ty]

You can carefully cut the crimp off and crimp the hard lines onto a new hose.
The fact that you still have a working a Saginaw steering motor is pretty rare. Mine went bad years ago on my 1850, had to do the Charr-Lynn retrofit.

 

[farmersamm]

You can carefully cut the crimp off and crimp the hard lines onto a new hose.
The fact that you still have a working a Saginaw steering motor is pretty rare. Mine went bad years ago on my 1850, had to do the Charr-Lynn retrofit.

The best thing about this steering motor, is the ability to steer the tractor when the engine isn't running.............from what I gather. I've never had to. But I can tell you that it was a solid PITA to bring my 190XT home without power.

 

[m16ty]

The best thing about this steering motor, is the ability to steer the tractor when the engine isn't running.............from what I gather. I've never had to. But I can tell you that it was a solid PITA to bring my 190XT home without power.

Most tractors with the Charr-Lynn can somewhat be steered without the engine running. I’ve had several 190xt and they could be steered without engine running. If any of them have been sitting for awhile though, fluid can bleed off the system and make them not want to steer.

 

[farmersamm]

Most tractors with the Charr-Lynn can somewhat be steered without the engine running. I’ve had several 190xt and they could be steered without engine running. If any of them have been sitting for awhile though, fluid can bleed off the system and make them not want to steer.

The Saginaw has a little screw, just under the steering wheel shaft, that you can turn to make the steering motor independent, and steer the machine. LIke I say........never had to use it, but was pretty impressed by the ability to do it if needed. I MEAN............STEERING A DEAD TRACTOR CAN BE A REAL PROBLEM.

 

[farmersamm]

Most tractors with the Charr-Lynn can somewhat be steered without the engine running. I’ve had several 190xt and they could be steered without engine running. If any of them have been sitting for awhile though, fluid can bleed off the system and make them not want to steer.

My 190XT was starting to exhibit the same symptoms as the other 190........................lugging down, huge black smoke, then revving up. It was on the point of seizing. I shut it down, and made plans to tow it home. It was about 1.5 miles from the house.

I had to make adapters for my truck towbar. Something that would clamp to the 190 axle, to force the wheels to turn as I turned with the tow tractor.

EXCUSE THE WELDS............THIS WAS A FEW MONTH BEFORE CATARACT SURGERY...............I WAS DOGGONE NEAR FUNCTIONALLY BLIND.

I made it to the driveway, but the sharp turn coming into the driveway was bad. K'kins had to keep cranking the wheel to try and steer it. Limited success, but we got it in the yard.

 

[farmersamm]

Got 'er all put back together............................... Turned the key to fire it up...................................

NOTHING, ZIP, ZILCH..............................NADA

The wires to the ammeter were disconnected to allow the gauge cluster to move away from the dash. I can remember, as a kid, ruining an ammeter by somehow twisting the connector posts that go into the ammeter body. Broke the circuit through the ammeter doing this. No power to anything.

Got dark, I ran out of patience. Test it in the morning to see if there's a continuous circuit through the ammeter(sigh)

Only other thing might be that moving the tachometer cable housing, in order to get the cluster moved, might have dislodged a wire somewhere along the side of the motor. The housing passes along the side where the alternator, and voltage regulator, reside.

Just for S&G's.................might see if the batteries are dead per K'kins suggestion.

 

[farmersamm]

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was no power to the ignition switch. AND NO POWER TO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE "BAT" WIRE COMING OFF THE ALTERNATOR.

Well dear reader......................... What I thought was the hot wire, which inexplicably WASN'T HOT, was actually the wire that goes to the preheater.

THE HOT WIRE HAD SLIPPED DOWN IN THE BODY OF THE OF THE DOGGONE TRACTOR BEHIND THE DASHBOARD...........COMPLETELY OUT OF SIGHT. This had to occur when I pulled the instrument cluster out far enough to work behind it. And.................dummy me hadn't taken my usual pictures of wiring, and other components, when doing a teardown. I forgot there was a 3rd wire.

Hours of my life, completely down the rabbit hole.

 

[farmersamm]

Up, and runnin'

No leaks.

Fork in the road......................... Put the new clutch in the F-350, or weld up a bale mover.............................

The bale mover will be fun..........THE CLUTCH WILL NOT

 

[random_farmhick]

I know you got it going, but I just thought I would add a couple things about the compression fittings. First, I have used them on these and other places with success when either the original line can't be bought, or need something in a hurry. Second, I know at least New Holland and Ford used them on equipment and tractors for years from the factory.

 

[farmersamm]

I know you got it going, but I just thought I would add a couple things about the compression fittings. First, I have used them on these and other places with success when either the original line can't be bought, or need something in a hurry. Second, I know at least New Holland and Ford used them on equipment and tractors for years from the factory.

The real moral of the story is.................... I let bias interfere with my thought process. I need to be more open to "new" things I haven't used before.

 

[Kell]

just an afterthought for this episode... but i believe agco still stocks the 2 hoses that attach to lines that feed the steering cylinder. looks like that was one of them. a bit more than $40, but reasonable with none of the hassle of finding a guy who might charge just as much.