What model of mower do i have?

[the357blacksmith]

I what mower do I have, I cant find any info on it and all of the casting numbers I've found dont come up as anything. Even the dealership guys are stumped. I got it for free to start a haying company and itd be nice to be able to find parts for it. I thought it was a no.5 but the slip clutch is inside the gear box instead of on the pto shaft

 

[dan_41jdh]

It certainly looks like a No. 5, and my Master Parts List shows those two casting numbers are for a No. 5 mower exclusively.

 

[JIM MN]

Dan, you are correct, casting numbers!

 

[the357blacksmith]

It certainly looks like a No. 5, and my Master Parts List shows those two casting numbers are for a No. 5 mower exclusively.

Every no 5 ive seen doesn't have the slip clutch inside the gear box, so is mine a late model?

 

[Scott 730]

There is no slip clutch in the #5 mower gear case. What you likely have is stripped gears jumping on the chain.

 

[the357blacksmith]

There is no slip clutch in the #5 mower gear case. What you likely have is stripped gears jumping on the chain.

It does have a slip clutch in the gear box, I will open it up in the morning to get a picture for you

 

[Mark-Ia]

Looks like a early #5 without the raised John Deere on the cover.

 

[JIM MN]

Early #5 mower,1937-1938 on the top shaft in case had a slip clutch. 1939 on no slip clutch, plan top shaft with gear! In John Deere parts book.

 

[the357blacksmith]

There is no slip clutch in the #5 mower gear case. What you likely have is stripped gears jumping on the chain.

 

[spacechem]

Your user name is apt, as you're going to need such skills to keep that relic going- it's at least 90 years old! Not a later model, a very early one- somewhere 1934-36ish.

You mentioned you are starting a hay business, but one of your first purchases after you get a bit established should be a much better mowing machine- something that will make your hay better quality and you more productive. It's basically the same as advising a rowcrop farmer to get the best planter they can afford. The first step in the process is the most important!

As to parts, the wear items are pretty universal- at least among Deere models- so quite readily available. The pitman is missing (maybe you have it) and maybe not available from Deere anymore, but looks to be findable on-line. The parts at each end are all the same on Deere pitman models; only the wooden stick is different, so possibly a different model mower could donate some non-wear bits.

Your slip clutch looks pretty decent. If you do want/need to replace it, it's part number Z699H. That part was used on a lot of different machines, so should be available still from Deere. Online parts catalog is here.

ETA: And don't take advice from anyone who calls a sprocket a "gear"...

 

[Scott 730]

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ETA: And don't take advice from anyone who calls a sprocket a "gear"...

Whatever. Hope your edit makes you feel good about yourself.

 

[spacechem]

Whatever. Hope your edit makes you feel good about yourself.

If the shoe fits...

 

[the357blacksmith]

Your user name is apt, as you're going to need such skills to keep that relic going- it's at least 90 years old! Not a later model, a very early one- somewhere 1934-36ish.

You mentioned you are starting a hay business, but one of your first purchases after you get a bit established should be a much better mowing machine- something that will make your hay better quality and you more productive. It's basically the same as advising a rowcrop farmer to get the best planter they can afford. The first step in the process is the most important!

As to parts, the wear items are pretty universal- at least among Deere models- so quite readily available. The pitman is missing (maybe you have it) and maybe not available from Deere anymore, but looks to be findable on-line. The parts at each end are all the same on Deere pitman models; only the wooden stick is different, so possibly a different model mower could donate some non-wear bits.

Your slip clutch looks pretty decent. If you do want/need to replace it, it's part number Z699H. That part was used on a lot of different machines, so should be available still from Deere. Online parts catalog is here.

ETA: And don't take advice from anyone who calls a sprocket a "gear"...

What i have right now is a allis chalmers wd running my mower and john deere 24t baler, a Minneapolis moline utu running my ih no15 rake, I have a farmall b with a drawbar mounted sickle mower, a new idea model 40 mower, and if I can get it unseized this winter a case dc tractor. All of my equipment i got for free or less than $1000. Personally id say i got a good head start on equipment but everything needs fixed except for my allis. Ive also go my son who will help during the summer if he gets the hang of running an antique tractor

 

[spacechem]

What i have right now is a allis chalmers wd running my mower and john deere 24t baler, a Minneapolis moline utu running my ih no15 rake, I have a farmall b with a drawbar mounted sickle mower, a new idea model 40 mower, and if I can get it unseized this winter a case dc tractor. All of my equipment i got for free or less than $1000. Personally id say i got a good head start on equipment but everything needs fixed except for my allis. Ive also go my son who will help during the summer if he gets the hang of running an antique tractor

Wow. No one- certainly no one on this site- will say you must have brand new equipment to go into the hay business. The trick is a balance between affordable and efficient. You are absolutely on the low end of both. I hope you find success, but man, you're gonna work for it.

 

[the357blacksmith]

Wow. No one- certainly no one on this site- will say you must have brand new equipment to go into the hay business. The trick is a balance between affordable and efficient. You are absolutely on the low end of both. I hope you find success, but man, you're gonna work for it.

So far the most expensive things ive had to buy is the tire for the new idea, the forklift tire for the john deer mower when Miller didnt have the correct one, and the front tire for the Minneapolis. Everything else i made myself or it was cheap to get the replacement parts. Is it efficient? Not necessarily. Is it cheap? For the most part it is. Ive also got the right connections

 

[spacechem]

So far the most expensive things ive had to buy is the tire for the new idea, the forklift tire for the john deer mower when Miller didnt have the correct one, and the front tire for the Minneapolis. Everything else i made myself or it was cheap to get the replacement parts. Is it efficient? Not necessarily. Is it cheap? For the most part it is. Ive also got the right connections

Well that's great, I guess. Eventually you'll have to assign some value to your time, but that's not my call. All I can respond to is what I see in the photos you posted and imagine a similar condition in the other tools you listed.

Your mention of the New Idea mower reminded me of a similar- perhaps the same- model we had back in the 70s. One day I was helping my dad fix it (again) and asked, "Why is it always broke down?" Dad paused and said, "Aw, I guess Abe Lincoln forgot to grease it..."

 

[spacechem]

Oddly enough, your tractor already has the attaching parts for a #5 mower. They are the two thick, round stubs sticking out either side of the drawbar. You could probably find a #5 somewhere nearby that is set up to attach to them- perhaps from the Truman administration.

 

[the357blacksmith]

Well that's great, I guess. Eventually you'll have to assign some value to your time, but that's not my call. All I can respond to is what I see in the photos you posted and imagine a similar condition in the other tools you listed.

Your mention of the New Idea mower reminded me of a similar- perhaps the same- model we had back in the 70s. One day I was helping my dad fix it (again) and asked, "Why is it always broke down?" Dad paused and said, "Aw, I guess Abe Lincoln forgot to grease it..."

I'll take some pictures of all of my equipment for you today