Moving a 4 bottom Plow with no Hydraulics on my Tractor

[Tupperville]

Provided the plow in the photo is up off the ground, I would like to know if I can pull it to my work area without hydraulics on my tractor.

Will it pull straight or have a tendency to wander.

Another question, do they make a bolt on manual type winch to put in place of the hydraulic cylinder.

Thanks again if anyone has an answer.

 

[Tx Jim]

Remove hyd cylinder & install/utilize a hand operated ratchet jack similar to photo. Semi-integral moldboards that I owned & used in my farming career transported fine when pulled on public roads.

 

[Tupperville]

Remove hyd cylinder & install/utilize a hand operated ratchet jack similar to photo. Semi-integral moldboards that I owned & used in my farming career transported fine when pulled on public roads.

Thanks for that I will start looking for one.

 

[Tx Jim]

You're welcome.

 

[rrlund]

My White will raise the back bottom off the ground by just raising the 3pt, then it rolls on the tire OK.

 

[Tupperville]

My White will raise the back bottom off the ground by just raising the 3pt.

The problem is the lifting capacity of my tractor is I believe 1700 lbs. if I am understanding "rear lift" on the Tractor Data website.

I just need to move it less than a mile on a gravel road.

Thanks for the information.

 

[Brown David]

Remove the cylinder then jack it up and chain it up where the cylinder was maybe?

 

[paul]

It might lift up with 1700 pressure.

If you can use another tractor to extend the cylinder, you can use cyl stops to hold it extended. It probably will stay extended by itself, but with my luck it would leak down. Those segmented cyclinder stops put in place would keep it up for sure.

As others say often lifting the front of the plow up will get the rear of the plow off the ground too, but maybe only just a few inches. Be careful you don’t hook a road approach or going through a dip or some such.

Would be nicer if you can get the cylinder extended even with a Jack maybe and put some cylinder stops on.

Paul

 

[Tupperville]

Remove the cylinder then jack it up and chain it up where the cylinder was maybe?

If I understand you correctly, that could mean the weight would still be too much for my tractor.

I suppose one could jack it up and place a 4x4 block wood where the cylinder was or maybe the cylinder is siezed in place and it would be fine to just hook up and go if it's up off the ground.

I don't know I have never done this before but good suggestion.

 

[used red MN]

Remove the cylinder then jack it up and chain it up where the cylinder was maybe?

The problem with your suggestion is the cylinder while lifting the rear of the plow is under a compressive load rather than a load of tension that a chain would be capable of holding. If a point of connection for the chain exists somewhere on the bottom of the standard for the rear bottom a chain might be able to be utilized to support the trailing wheel’s lift mechanism in the manner shown in my screen shot. The higher the rear of the plow is lifted so the parallel links in the mechanism are angling down towards the trail wheel the lower the amount of tension the chain will need to provide.

 

[used red MN]

Would be nicer if you can get the cylinder extended even with a Jack maybe and put some cylinder stops on.

To get the cylinder to extend without actually connecting it to the tractor’s hydraulics you will need to loosen a connection on the hose that connects to the rear port of the cylinder. This will allow the fluid on the ram side of the cylinder to bleed off as the cylinder ram piston moves. A hydraulic cylinders main action relies on the physical properties of fluid as not compressible.

 

[paul]

Also we are assuming this is a semi mounted plow, hooks to the three point bottom arms? So your tractor has some hydraulics for the 3pt?

They do wander slightly, but it will trail along behind you fine. They tend to drift a bit to the left when not in the ground, but not to worry about it, you will find trying to back up is an adventure, the rear wheel will really wander when backing….

Paul

 

[paul]

You could mess with that depth stop bolt I see now, it would gain you a few inches if you can get it to move. Used Red has his red line about crosses the bolt….

Paul

 

[Brown David]

The problem with your suggestion is the cylinder while lifting the rear of the plow is under a compressive load rather than a load of tension that a chain would be capable of holding. If a point of connection for the chain exists somewhere on the bottom of the standard for the rear bottom a chain might be able to be utilized to support the trailing wheel’s lift mechanism in the manner shown in my screen shot. The higher the rear of the plow is lifted so the parallel links in the mechanism are angling down towards the trail wheel the lower the amount of tension the chain will need to provide. View attachment 163457

Well I guess I'm not seeing it.

Am I correct in assuming that cylinder when retracted raises the plow for travel?

If so, why wouldn't removing the cylinder then raising the plow with a jack to it's travelling position and then connecting a short piece of chain between the cylinder connection points thereby holding the plow in the raised travelling position work?

 

[Duner Wi]

Well I guess I'm not seeing it.

Am I correct in assuming that cylinder when retracted raises the plow for travel?

If so, why wouldn't removing the cylinder then raising the plow with a jack to it's travelling position and then connecting a short piece of chain between the cylinder connection points thereby holding the plow in the raised travelling position work?

I think you are backwards. Needs to extend to raise rear of plough. I could be wrong.

 

[Brown David]

I think you are backwards. Needs to extend to raise rear of plough. I could be wrong.

Possibly I suppose.

A picture showing the complete plough would be benificial in seeing how it works.

 

[used red MN]

Am I correct in assuming that cylinder when retracted raises the plow for travel?

No, the cylinder extends to raise the back of the plow via the trail wheel. Maybe the arrows on this screen shot will help you out.

 

[Scott 730]

No, the cylinder extends to raise the back of the plow via the trail wheel. Maybe the arrows on this screen shot will help you out. View attachment 163468

You sure the arrow pointing straight up should be there? Me thinks that part is fixed in place to the last bottom standard.

 

[Brown David]

No, the cylinder extends to raise the back of the plow via the trail wheel. Maybe the arrows on this screen shot will help you out. View attachment 163468

Okay, I see it now, I was looking at it backwards.

Ignore my previous posts.

 

[Tx Jim]

IF one doesn't want to install a ratchet jack one could loosen butt end of cylinder hose, raise rear of plow with some lifting device, remove pin on butt end of of cylinder then extend cylinder rod, rotate cylinder butt end up then fill cylinder barrel with oil & plug orifice on cylinder then reattach cylinder with rod extended to hold rear tire in raised position holding rear of plow suspended.