Oliver 1800 FWD help needed

[arlen aas]

I just googled How many oliver 1800 s were built with FWD. Results say that few (6-8) were built and used on corporate farms like Green Giant. I believe one is in my shop.

 

[arlen aas]

I just Googled "how many oliver 1800s were built with FWA" Results said 3-12. Some were sold to corporate farms for use and testing. I'm pretty sure I have one. Sent for build card today. Will be interesting to see where it was shipped.
Google it if interested.

 

[oliverkid]

I just Googled "how many oliver 1800s were built with FWA" Results said 3-12. Some were sold to corporate farms for use and testing. I'm pretty sure I have one. Sent for build card today. Will be interesting to see where it was shipped.
Google it if interested.

There were actually a fair number of 1800 FWA’s built between all 3 series. Obviously they aren’t “super” common in the grand scheme of things but I wouldn’t go as far as to call them “rare” either. Getting specific the 1800A FWA is the “rare” one of the series because they only build a hand full as “production prototypes” before it was officially released as an option on the B series tractors. You have to be careful with just googling info like that and even more careful going off of the AI overview that comes up as the first search result now because a lot of the time the information given is blatantly wrong. With your tractor having a B series serial number and some A series cosmetics it’s a bit of a Frankentractor. The build card will “in theory” tell the story as long as it was filled out all the way.

 

[ss55]

There were actually a fair number of 1800 FWA’s built between all 3 series. Obviously they aren’t “super” common in the grand scheme of things but I wouldn’t go as far as to call them “rare” either. Getting specific the 1800A FWA is the “rare” one of the series because they only build a hand full as “production prototypes” before it was officially released as an option on the B series tractors. You have to be careful with just googling info like that and even more careful going off of the AI overview that comes up as the first search result now because a lot of the time the information given is blatantly wrong. With your tractor having a B series serial number and some A series cosmetics it’s a bit of a Frankentractor. The build card will “in theory” tell the story as long as it was filled out all the way.

Agreed.

It is also possible that older style sheet metal might not be what the tractor originally had from the factory. Over sixty years working tractors do get used and damaged, sheet metal is fragile. A concourse quality tractor collector might definitely want to find the correct correct sheet metal before repainting the tractor and putting it on display. On a working tractor functioning but incorrect sheet metal might be much preferred over having the original damaged pieces or having no sheet metal at all.

I very much like that tractor as is.

 

[arlen aas]

I received the build sheet for the 1800FWA.
It was built 3-12-63. Shipped to Glencoe Minnesota the location of Green Giants largest plant( still operating...as Seneca Foods today) A dealer code E-844. It's a Series B. B&C Diesel with Transmission specified as " Special Build A series mechanical Front Drive. Hydraulic Hydra -Lectric internal remote valves. Rear tires 18.4 x34. Wiring for crown type fenders. Drawbar 3 point with drawbar Row Crop. Clutch 12 inch with Hydra Power Drive AG. Rear axle/Carrier. " Special build.probably for canning company tractor" Under accessories it's Stated "25" but that the accessory is "Unknown". For Grill,hood,sheet metal,dash, instruments &controls it states " For row crop with lights and power steering,Diesel.


My notes... Note that it is a B but has A FWD. It also has A grill but doesn't specify in build sheet. Green Giant ( or later owners) would not have swapped it out. Looks like it was shipped either directly to Green Giant or a local Oliver Dealer in Glencoe Mn. The tractor remained in Glencoe all its life first as a Green Giant tractor then sold to employee Vern Jungclaus. I purchased it from Verns estate ( I worked with him at Green Giant). The tractor is now with me near Stewart Mn which is about 15 miles from Glencoe MN.

 

[scootergmc]

Here an old Duane Starr quote about these tractors. I do believe there's a HPOCA or Oliver Heritage article about them somewhere:

This tractor was shipped to Rosendale, WI. Green Giant is a canning company that raises and processes veggies various foods that you find in your local grocery store. Oliver and MM rented/leased tractors to Green Giant and Delmonte in several areas of the country through dealerships. After the season the tractors were then discounted to all of the dealerships and sold. Generally the tractors were very low hour tractors. Like one post points out that tractor was probably used for a harvester of some kind, perhaps peas. Those that were used for tillage were of higher hours and dealers got a better discount. MM did a lot of business with Delmonte Corp. Dealers were eager to get these tractors.

 

[ss55]

I received the build sheet for the 1800FWA.
It was built 3-12-63. Shipped to Glencoe Minnesota the location of Green Giants largest plant( still operating...as Seneca Foods today) A dealer code E-844. It's a Series B. B&C Diesel with Transmission specified as " Special Build A series mechanical Front Drive. Hydraulic Hydra -Lectric internal remote valves. Rear tires 18.4 x34. Wiring for crown type fenders. Drawbar 3 point with drawbar Row Crop. Clutch 12 inch with Hydra Power Drive AG. Rear axle/Carrier. " Special build.probably for canning company tractor" Under accessories it's Stated "25" but that the accessory is "Unknown". For Grill,hood,sheet metal,dash, instruments &controls it states " For row crop with lights and power steering,Diesel.


My notes... Note that it is a B but has A FWD. It also has A grill but doesn't specify in build sheet. Green Giant ( or later owners) would not have swapped it out. Looks like it was shipped either directly to Green Giant or a local Oliver Dealer in Glencoe Mn. The tractor remained in Glencoe all its life first as a Green Giant tractor then sold to employee Vern Jungclaus. I purchased it from Verns estate ( I worked with him at Green Giant). The tractor is now with me near Stewart Mn which is about 15 miles from Glencoe MN.

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Mar 25, 2017

Just heard at coffee that Jungclaus Implement in Glencoe Mn suddenly closed its doors. Our local Oliver, White, Massey dealer. Their website doesn't say anything. Any local guys on here that know if that is correct?

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[Kirk Norlin]

We were always told that there were 2 of the 1800A MFWD produced. I believe it was published in a HPOCA magazine quite a while ago. That may have changed now? I know that the one that Arnie Meyer owned is serial # 121189-899. I wont disclose the serial # of the one we owned because we don't own it anymore, but it was just a few numbers earlier. When I stopped at the Floyd County Museum, I was able to view the build cards. Both Arnie's & our 1800 were in a batch of 13 build cards that were "Per special bill of material". One of those 13 stated "Road Roller". If I remember correctly, all 13 build cards had 5 columns of 99 codes. We were told that the 99 code was used when a code didn't exist for that particular option. I see this one has 2 such codes. This tractor lands quite a ways into the "B" series. I think that the engines were different between the "A" & "B" series. Might be another clue to look for.

 

[arlen aas]

We were always told that there were 2 of the 1800A MFWD produced. I believe it was published in a HPOCA magazine quite a while ago. That may have changed now? I know that the one that Arnie Meyer owned is serial # 121189-899. I wont disclose the serial # of the one we owned because we don't own it anymore, but it was just a few numbers earlier. When I stopped at the Floyd County Museum, I was able to view the build cards. Both Arnie's & our 1800 were in a batch of 13 build cards that were "Per special bill of material". One of those 13 stated "Road Roller". If I remember correctly, all 13 build cards had 5 columns of 99 codes. We were told that the 99 code was used when a code didn't exist for that particular option. I see this one has 2 such codes. This tractor lands quite a ways into the "B" series. I think that the engines were different between the "A" & "B" series. Might be another clue to look for.

Mine is a B according to the serial number but has an A front drive. An oddity for sure but may have just been a trial build? The rear axle was a "special build". Possibly a special to match the "A" Mechanical front drive gearing? Who knows... Also a mystery is that build card states Front Wheels "11-unknown" and Front Rims "11-Non installed Note: rim not used W/pressed steel wheel" what ever that means. Build card also states that front tires 7.50x15". Too small for MFWD. The mystery continues.......

 

[scootergmc]

Mine is a B according to the serial number but has an A front drive. An oddity for sure but may have just been a trial build? The rear axle was a "special build". Possibly a special to match the "A" Mechanical front drive gearing? Who knows... Also a mystery is that build card states Front Wheels "11-unknown" and Front Rims "11-Non installed Note: rim not used W/pressed steel wheel" what ever that means. Build card also states that front tires 7.50x15". Too small for MFWD. The mystery continues.......

I don't think there's much of a mystery. It's mostly likely they used "special build A series" on the form as they didn't yet have a designated transmission code for the MFWD, and whoever at the factory decided to just keep using the same description, which would correspond with the "99" in column C of the build card. I wouldn't consider it an "A" mechanical front end. It's just the front axle Oliver used, the Clark front axle used across many models. How they coded it only makes it unique for the time, but not anything special outside the fact it was an early MFWD. It's a factory B series MFWD, which at the time still had to be special ordered and designated.


Edit: Is the engine number correct as on the card? Did I miss that info?

 

[oliverkid]

As far as the 7.50-15 rims go. Tractor was most likely set to be built as a 2 wheel drive and it was pulled off the line and moved to the bull pen to be made into a front wheel assist. At that point in production they most likely didn’t have any rigging set up for the assembly line track to put front wheel assists together on the main line. “Special Build” referring too the rear end is most likely referring to the long pinion shaft being installed to run the drop box.