Construction/Industrial tractors

[Destroked 450]

Double post

This post was edited by Destroked 450 on 11/22/2023 at 07:11 am.

 

[RobCons]

As mentioned a 2wd can be limited by traction. Industrials tend to be on the heavy side which can compound the problem. I have a JD 400 industrial with loader, pto, and 3 point lift. If the ground is at all soft the front tires sink and I wind up using the bucket to get moving again. At best the front tires will leave ruts. My rears are loaded by the way.

 

[RedGreenGuy]

I have a Ford 3400 gas 2WD. Could use more weight for traction. Bucket needs 10 inches or so added to
bottom. Can't fill bucket without tipping it all the way back and lifting while still shoving. Just not
enough weight to push into rock or dirt pile with 2WD. Handy little tractor for most other jobs.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Skip loaders are basically a backhoe unit without the hoe and still has a loader the same as the TLB has just they have 3pt and may have PTO on them also.

 

[Bendiede]

(quoted from post at 16:32:20 11/21/23) Hello all, I m new to the group but I wish to seek your collective wisdom.

I want to buy an "industrial" style tractor, because I m building a new place and have lots of dirt work to do, but I m priced out of skid steers (not to mention the attachments are expensive). Anyway, I ve been doing some lookig and really like the JOHN DEERE 401C & D but they seem to be tough to find.

So my question to you all, what was a popular older(70 s) industrial tractor (extra hinge for the bucket cylinder, heavier front axles) that still have a PTO and 3-point hitch?

Ideally I want the 3 point and PTO due to availability of attachments and usefulness. But modern skip loaders or backhoes have neither.

Thank you

I thought I would just continue in this forum instead of creating a new one. So after about a week or searching I have found a few models that I can find.

So I was going to ask if anybody has had any experience with any of the following models and what their opinions are.

1) Ford/New Holland 345, 445, or 545 (I have found mostly D models, but a few C s as well)

2) Ford 250C

3) Massey Ferguson 50E

Thank you

 

[Destroked 450]

(quoted from post at 20:15:46 11/21/23)
"By lots of dirt work" I mean grading, backfilling, and spreading gravel. Obviously a blade and/or box blade will be needed too with a hydraulic top link.

Does this lots of dirt work involve building a road into new property, digging and leveling a pad for a new home or building or clearing land for future use

What are the long term plans for the tractor. Continued land clearing, occasional driveway maintenance and lot mowing or does it include future field work
If any mowing or field type work is planned do not purchase a tractor with torque converter transmission, they are not designed for that type of use
The models you have mentioned normally have industrial rear tires that are excellent in dry dirt, in wet grass or mud they offer near zero traction compared to ag lug rear tires
I m not advising you do buy or not buy one of these models, just saying to consider its long term use and if it fits that use, or would a standard ag tractor with a farm style loader be an overall better fit

 

[Bendiede]

Long term use - road maintenance. Little grading (garage pad, extra parking", may have to do substantial grading but I m waiting to see how/where snow drifts in and how it drains. probably a garden (less than an acre) so some PTO tilling and 3 pt. Disc/plow. And the only "major PTO" (meaning many hours of.." work would be snow blowing. But that s only "as needed". Hoping to do most of my snow moving with bucket or snow pusher and maybe a back blade.

I read about not doing much PTO work with a torque converter transmission, but snow blowing would be the only substantial PTO job. And that would be hard on a torque converter just because it would require running the engine ar PTO speed, slowly backing into a drift and then having to stop movement while keeping the PTO speed up. Sounds terrible for that system.

I ve considered ag style tractors, but I ve grown up on a farm and you can move loose dirt fine with an ag bucket but if you try doing much grading or anything you tweak your loader frame or bust frame bolts. They re just not made for dirt work. In my experience anyway.