GM trucks today.

[INCase]

I think we're in for an automotive crisis in the not so far future. not being a doomsday / black cloud person here but its the reality. the emission standards have driven most of the issues mentioned above with cars these days. for example there are no mechanical diesels any longer. add on boomers retiring and the new generation of engineers (some not all) don't know which end of the screw driver to hold onto and rely on computers to do their thinking (I work with a few) IF you can even get this generation to go to Engineering school. PLus of course accounting and marketing are always against us (LOL).
all of them are having trouble, even toyota (not as much as Ford and GM for sure) is having issues. being in the auto industry and supplying all 3 plus nissan and honda I wouldn't buy anything GM (yea i know the GM guys aren't going to like that) and would be just about as very leary of Fords too. Chrysler has gotten bought out too many times now not sure what to do there. the last generation of Cherokee was a pretty decent built car (other than the quirky transmission shifting) but they wanted to close Belvidere plant so it left the lineup. you cannot check your transmission fluid anymore, i suspect they may go to not checking your engine oil as well (BMW for example) they want them to be throw away like they were in the 60's and 70's. my grandfather thought if your car had over 60000 miles you'd better get it to the dealer to trade it in and hope it made it that far. 100,000 miles used to be a big deal for the average car.

plus. cars being so crazy expensive and high interest rates who can afford them. i've "heard" there are alot of repossessions going on but haven't seen it personally. I have 2 11 year old cars with 150 and 187,000 miles and a 4 year old with 67000. even at 11 years old the computer stuff on them is crazy. .. so far, knock on wood, no major issues with either (all 3 are Chrysler products) but a new computer screen (radio/heater) is going to be high $$$ if need replacing.

so where do you find a "good used car"? they are going to be harder to find and if you get a good deal and the new computer costs as much as the car is worth... what do you do? or around here to get one without being overly computerized or other issues it's probably rusted out. they only made so many Buick lesabre's and Crown Victorias to go around (again they're all rusted out now)

something will have to give. I suspect the big three won't survive if they keep it up.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

I think we're in for an automotive crisis in the not so far future. not being a doomsday / black cloud person here but its the reality. the emission standards have driven most of the issues mentioned above with cars these days. for example there are no mechanical diesels any longer. add on boomers retiring and the new generation of engineers (some not all) don't know which end of the screw driver to hold onto and rely on computers to do their thinking (I work with a few) IF you can even get this generation to go to Engineering school. PLus of course accounting and marketing are always against us (LOL).
all of them are having trouble, even toyota (not as much as Ford and GM for sure) is having issues. being in the auto industry and supplying all 3 plus nissan and honda I wouldn't buy anything GM (yea i know the GM guys aren't going to like that) and would be just about as very leary of Fords too. Chrysler has gotten bought out too many times now not sure what to do there. the last generation of Cherokee was a pretty decent built car (other than the quirky transmission shifting) but they wanted to close Belvidere plant so it left the lineup. you cannot check your transmission fluid anymore, i suspect they may go to not checking your engine oil as well (BMW for example) they want them to be throw away like they were in the 60's and 70's. my grandfather thought if your car had over 60000 miles you'd better get it to the dealer to trade it in and hope it made it that far. 100,000 miles used to be a big deal for the average car.

plus. cars being so crazy expensive and high interest rates who can afford them. i've "heard" there are alot of repossessions going on but haven't seen it personally. I have 2 11 year old cars with 150 and 187,000 miles and a 4 year old with 67000. even at 11 years old the computer stuff on them is crazy. .. so far, knock on wood, no major issues with either (all 3 are Chrysler products) but a new computer screen (radio/heater) is going to be high $$$ if need replacing.

so where do you find a "good used car"? they are going to be harder to find and if you get a good deal and the new computer costs as much as the car is worth... what do you do? or around here to get one without being overly computerized or other issues it's probably rusted out. they only made so many Buick lesabre's and Crown Victorias to go around (again they're all rusted out now)

something will have to give. I suspect the big three won't survive if they keep it up.

Yea the first time I saw that tube without a dipstick, I knew i had bought my last new vehicle. I don't understand why the tube is there at all..... it's like a taunt. Just turn the transmission upside down at the factory, fill it with oil and clap the pan on, and save all that extra machine work.

 

[Texasmark]

The oil in the bottle is more than likely the same oil they used before they paid GM the ransom fee to put a Dextos stamp on the jug.

What's there to suggest that it was good enough to pass the test anyway so there was no bribe?

 

[miangus]

The recall on the late series of 6.2s involves changing to a 0-40 from a 0-30. The 0-30 was originally specified to improve fuel mileage in the EPA testing criteria. The cranks made in Mexico and finished in New York are not finished smooth enough to survive with the lighter oil under heavy use. They also have a variable speed oil pump which just seems crazy. I fear GM is just trying to get the trucks off their warranty.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

The recall on the late series of 6.2s involves changing to a 0-40 from a 0-30. The 0-30 was originally specified to improve fuel mileage in the EPA testing criteria. The cranks made in Mexico and finished in New York are not finished smooth enough to survive with the lighter oil under heavy use. They also have a variable speed oil pump which just seems crazy. I fear GM is just trying to get the trucks off their warranty.

This is different than the dialog than i heard a couple years ago on this site. I was told that the clearance on these modern, superior engines were " so much tighter " that they require thinner oil.

 

[ss55]

I can't tell what's A.I. but seeing all these videos on pickups driving down the road and motors randomly seizing and lawsuits and dealer fixes being change to lighter oil. Is this an overblown incident of a handful of trucks or is this real.

I do have a friend with a 2500 and he had a terrible time getting a transmission for a 2 year old truck.

Not being able to find a replacement transmission could be an unintended consequence of temporary supply chain disruptions rather than planned service support.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

Not being able to find a replacement transmission could be an unintended consequence of temporary supply chain disruptions rather than planned service support.

Not really to do with the engine, but the strange thing is no one would rebuild it. Like there was nothing left or something.

 

[ss55]

Not really to do with the engine, but the strange thing is no one would rebuild it. Like there was nothing left or something.

The standard hours mechanics get paid to rebuild a transmission is too low, so they don't rebuild them anymore, they replace them.

 

[brendonh]

Corporations can afford it.
Equipment industry such as, autos, farm equipment and aircraft manufacturers no longer build product for the individual, they build them for the fleet and the .inc They treat everyone they sell to as another corporate entity with customers that can have those costs passed on to, even when that does not exist because you are the end user.

Fleets and corporations can afford 100K pickups, just like corporate farms can afford 400k tractors. Its only the individual and family operations that have the same need but don't have the margins to spread the cost over that can't. They will stop buying them when their creditors stop floating them and turn to more secure lines of credit found in government, fleet and corporate loans. This is the logical progression of corporate feudalism. Shortly, the corporate part will be removed from the feudalism equation and we'll be right back to living under a king and a few of his lords backed up by his sheriff. Simply because you, the individual, cannot afford to participate in the economy and will have no choice but to become the serf in the system. There is a way out, but none will stop their worship of their god "convenience" to apply the words and deeds of a document written in 1776.

 

[GChief]

Fleets and corporations can afford 100K pickups

Plenty of individuals buying those around here. Parking lots full of them.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

They have to be 100K to pay for these recalls. They might get away with it by changing the oil, i hope they do, but even if they have to overhaul half those motors it still gonna hurt.

 

[jhwis]

I think it's sad what has become of things.... we have these super space-age power plants that a single milliliter, or however one measures viscosity, can mean the difference between success and failure..... and my 94 S10 has gotten a couple quarts of universal tractor fluid a few times to get the oil level back to the end of the stick.

I tend to agree.

 

[stdsch40]

Corporations can afford it.
Equipment industry such as, autos, farm equipment and aircraft manufacturers no longer build product for the individual, they build them for the fleet and the .inc They treat everyone they sell to as another corporate entity with customers that can have those costs passed on to, even when that does not exist because you are the end user.

Fleets and corporations can afford 100K pickups, just like corporate farms can afford 400k tractors. Its only the individual and family operations that have the same need but don't have the margins to spread the cost over that can't. They will stop buying them when their creditors stop floating them and turn to more secure lines of credit found in government, fleet and corporate loans. This is the logical progression of corporate feudalism. Shortly, the corporate part will be removed from the feudalism equation and we'll be right back to living under a king and a few of his lords backed up by his sheriff. Simply because you, the individual, cannot afford to participate in the economy and will have no choice but to become the serf in the system. There is a way out, but none will stop their worship of their god "convenience" to apply the words and deeds of a document written in 1776.

You are absolutely correct, however you missed the part about corporate debt, where they pass it off to the serf to repay their debts.

 

[NoDakInMN]

My son drives GM and Chevy and trades them for new ones every 2 to 3 years. He works the snot out of them and about the only issue he has had was with a rear main seal leak on a gas engine, but that was covered under warranty. He tried a diesel in his latest one and is really impressed with it. AI doesn't seem to be an issue at all.

As far as You Tube goes, you need to remember that bigger problems equals better content and more views but shouldn't be taken as representative. If it was, you'd think that all farmers do is pull out stuck tractors and combines.

 

[Hoenes]

My son has a rear engine Porsche, that doesn't have a dipstick to check the oil. Digital dash check only. Unbelievable. A lot of weird stuff on a motor that is under a hatch back.

 

[caterpillar guy]

business has always passed along the costs through the product they produce whether it be a vehicle ,a pumpkin or even a stick of lumber. IF they didn't they would no longer cease to exist. Like the profits everyone complains about . IF they didn't make a profit they would no longer be in business either. Gouging is the one I detest.

 

[Steven Allen]

Wife's car uses 0w-20.

 

[moresmoke]

I haven’t heard of seizing, but I do know if you don’t keep up with your oil changes the light weight oil will eat camshafts.

 

[buickanddeere]

I can't tell what's A.I. but seeing all these videos on pickups driving down the road and motors randomly seizing and lawsuits and dealer fixes being change to lighter oil. Is this an overblown incident of a handful of trucks or is this real.

I do have a friend with a 2500 and he had a terrible time getting a transmission for a 2 year old truck.

All LT1 engines in the Vette and the Camero uses 0W-40.
The same L87 in the SUV’s used 0W-20 and had had bottom end problems. Made worse by cheapskates filling with 87 octane instead of 91 . Well duh , the manufacture states what to use , use it .
All L83,L86, L87, LT1 etc engines for the past 15 years have suffered from lifter pin failure in the variable displacement versions .
Mrs B&D’s L87 is making rattling/ticking sounds at 91,000Km . Even though all lifters were replaced last March .