Identify two hydraulic hoses

[_AndyA_]

Hi, I am trying to identify two hoses. I bought these as assembled products but I want to be able to call around hose shops and get prices to have a bunch made. That means I need to be able to describe them.

Hose A

Parker 387ST-12 19mm (3/4") hose. Total length is 26 3/4"

End 1 has a male threaded fitting.

• I can't see any useful markings
• Diameter across the threads is 1 1/4", no o-ring, no flare

End 2 has a tee with two male threaded fittings.

• I can't see any useful markings
• Large connector is the same as end 1: 1 1/4" diameter, no o-ring, no flare
• Small connector is a nipple with two different diameters. 3/4" to the outside world and 7/8" into the tee, no o-ring, no flare

Hose B

Parker 321ST-6 10mm (3/8") hose. Total length is 22".

End 1 has a male thread fitting.

• Marked with 1014186, EC4H, 22MM
• Flared, no o-ring
• 3/4" across the threads
• I can't find 10141-X-X fittings from Parker, only 10143-X-X?

End 2 has a male thread fitting

• Marked with ZJ11N4186, EB4S1, 22MM
• Not flared, no o-ring
• 11/16" across the threads
• That part number doesn't seem to exist for Parker? I tried putting ZJ at the end, didn't come up with anything

Any help would be appreciated! Hose fittings are a mystery to me! Thanks, Andy

 

[caterpillar guy]

Talk to a hose repair place or try contacting a parker store for information and availablity on hose ends. As for the TEE end It looks to me like it was either made to be that way on site or the fitting has been used on site to make a fitting work for what ever is needed. Either way ?I would try a hydraulic shop for the information and then price around it is not going to be cheap if you have to find that specific fitting .

 

[farmersamm]

One looks close to a JIC fitting. The other looks close to an ORB fitting..........but it might not be.

Slight taper, but not a JIC taper.

The corresponding end.

These were on my Krone mower. Had to go to my Parker dealer to get a match.

 

[Jim.ME]

You posted: "Hi, I am trying to identify two hoses. I bought these as assembled products but I want to be able to call around hose shops and get prices to have a bunch made. That means I need to be able to describe them."

Did you have them made or were these random hoses a shop had laying around? Can the place you bought them identify the fittings?

Thread diameters and pitch, SAE, or one of the offshore standard threads (BSPT, BPPT, a metric variant, etc.) needs to be identified. To me more is needed than pictures to properly ID them, as the differences can be too small to be seen in just pictures. I suggest take them to a couple nearby hydraulic shops and let them detail what you have and give you quotes.

You must have a reason for wanting to "have a bunch made". Talking with a hydraulic shop or two might get you some options with similar arrangements using more common fittings on the hoses and common adapters. JMHO

 

[casecollectorsc]

Had loader hoses made at the local Napa store. Cheaper than the local Co-op.

 

[_AndyA_]

Thanks. Went to NAPA today and they don't have those fittings, didn't even recognize them. Andy

 

[moresmoke]

Your first hose has male DIN fittings. Metric tube fittings. Typically will mate to a steel tube with a compression sleeve and nut, but there is a female hose end version of it. There are two different styles of DIN fittings I don’t have enough information to tell which you have. As far as the end with the double connection, don’t waste your time looking for it anywhere but the OEM.

The second hose looks to be male DIN one end and 1/2 NPT on the other end. Hydraulic NPT fittings have a taper seat on the inside to mate with swivel nuts on adapters. This one you could likely source the hose ends for.

 

[Jim.ME]

Do these hoses actually fit something (if so what?) or are they just some hoses you bought, unknown, because they look like a fitting arrangement you could use? Do they actually fit something you have?

You say you want to have "a bunch" of these made. What are you trying to do with them? to need "a bunch" of them would sound like you are going to manufacture something. With a bit of research, you could find similar fittings in JIC or ORB which are more readily available in most areas, and likely will cost less to have made up if some tees and adapters were used so that just the hose could be replaced if damage, not having to chase special hose ends. Sometimes the initial good deal isn't good in the end. JMHO

 

[paul]

I’ve never seen anything like that ‘tee’ fitting you show. Did they custom drill out and tap a crimp fitting to create that? Can’t see it being a part you could order! Cool, but not something I would want to depend on. Hoses age and need replaced, I would not want that setup. I would want a hose end, a screw on tee fitting, and go from there. There is no reason for that odd configuration.

Paul

 

[moresmoke]

I’ve never seen anything like that ‘tee’ fitting you show. Did they custom drill out and tap a crimp fitting to create that? Can’t see it being a part you could order! Cool, but not something I would want to depend on. Hoses age and need replaced, I would not want that setup. I would want a hose end, a screw on tee fitting, and go from there. There is no reason for that odd configuration.

Paul

It made the OEM bean counters happy. When you order parts by the thousands, you can get anything you want.

I had to replace a hose on my Cat backhoe last year. 3/4 hose about 9 feet long. $400 and change. $250 of that was one special hose end.

 

[_AndyA_]

Thanks. I need spares for when the old ones fail, which they do on a regular basis. Too expensive and too many hoses to just replace them all. To give you an idea I have 26 of the tee hoses in use and 52 of the other hoses in use.

These examples were purchased from the equipment manufacturer, and of course they want me to only go to them so they don't provide the information needed to recreate them for cheaper elsewhere.

A search online shows others in the past, who owned the same equipment, have been able to get their own made but those ancient forum posters didn't provide any details unfortunately. That is what made me think it would be straightforward.

Andy

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Hi, I am trying to identify two hoses. I bought these as assembled products but I want to be able to call around hose shops and get prices to have a bunch made. That means I need to be able to describe them.

Hose A

Parker 387ST-12 19mm (3/4") hose. Total length is 26 3/4"

View attachment 119037

End 1 has a male threaded fitting.

• I can't see any useful markings
• Diameter across the threads is 1 1/4", no o-ring, no flare

View attachment 119045

End 2 has a tee with two male threaded fittings.

• I can't see any useful markings
• Large connector is the same as end 1: 1 1/4" diameter, no o-ring, no flare
• Small connector is a nipple with two different diameters. 3/4" to the outside world and 7/8" into the tee, no o-ring, no flare

View attachment 119040
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Hose B

Parker 321ST-6 10mm (3/8") hose. Total length is 22".

View attachment 119042

End 1 has a male thread fitting.

• Marked with 1014186, EC4H, 22MM
• Flared, no o-ring
• 3/4" across the threads
• I can't find 10141-X-X fittings from Parker, only 10143-X-X?

View attachment 119043

End 2 has a male thread fitting

• Marked with ZJ11N4186, EB4S1, 22MM
• Not flared, no o-ring
• 11/16" across the threads
• That part number doesn't seem to exist for Parker? I tried putting ZJ at the end, didn't come up with anything

View attachment 119044

Any help would be appreciated! Hose fittings are a mystery to me! Thanks, Andy

I needed to replace two 5 ft long power steering hoses. $130. The most expensive part are the fittings.
My hoses have British threads. It is hard to tell the difference between British and English, about 1 thread per inch difference.
Google Coldwell in Terre Haute if you can't find someone to make you new ones. I don't know what I would do without Coldwell.

 

[Jim.ME]

Thanks. I need spares for when the old ones fail, which they do on a regular basis. Too expensive and too many hoses to just replace them all. To give you an idea I have 26 of the tee hoses in use and 52 of the other hoses in use.

These examples were purchased from the equipment manufacturer, and of course they want me to only go to them so they don't provide the information needed to recreate them for cheaper elsewhere.

A search online shows others in the past, who owned the same equipment, have been able to get their own made but those ancient forum posters didn't provide any details unfortunately. That is what made me think it would be straightforward.

Andy

So, these are for a specialized line of equipment, not a common tractor, loader, or implement. What exactly are we dealing with or is it a secret? It is possible the manufacture is having the hose ends drilled and tapped, for their use. Is there room to use a tee and adapters?

If your Napa is like the ones around here, they stock the common fittings for hoses their customers call for. Go to a hydraulic shop, They generally have a wider selection or sources than NAPA type places have. The straight hose should be no problem. The Tee end will be the issue. They might be able to make a straight hose a bit shorter and use a tee with a couple adapter fittings to match the ends you need on that one.

 

[moresmoke]

Thanks. I need spares for when the old ones fail, which they do on a regular basis. Too expensive and too many hoses to just replace them all. To give you an idea I have 26 of the tee hoses in use and 52 of the other hoses in use.

These examples were purchased from the equipment manufacturer, and of course they want me to only go to them so they don't provide the information needed to recreate them for cheaper elsewhere.

A search online shows others in the past, who owned the same equipment, have been able to get their own made but those ancient forum posters didn't provide any details unfortunately. That is what made me think it would be straightforward.

Andy

Find a local hydraulic supplier, not just the corner auto parts store. They may not have the straight DIN fittings, but can order them and you have enough hoses in service to be worth buying 10 or whatever the minimum order would be. I still question the ability to buy the Tee fitting, but they might be able to find you some adapters to replace it and just have a straight hose instead, which would save you money in the long run.

I do question why you are replacing so many hoses though, in a properly designed application, a hose should last at least 10 years.

 

[Jim.ME]

One looks close to a JIC fitting. The other looks close to an ORB fitting..........but it might not be.

View attachment 119060
Slight taper, but not a JIC taper.
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The corresponding end.

These were on my Krone mower. Had to go to my Parker dealer to get a match.

Not like a JIC or ORB. More like the DIN or a metric of some type. What these hoses are on and where it was built may lend some clues. A good hydraulic shop is his best bet.

 

[Fixingfarmer]

If at all possible I’d switch to jic hose fittings and keep the tee a separate piece that would lower the expense immensely im sure

One place that’s going to have your British hydraulic fittings or at least be able to order hoses with them is agco they are all over my challenger some welded right to the cylinders so your local Massey Ferguson and fendt dealers might be familiar if you get the right parts guys

Those connectors are a pain in the buns because most local places don’t have them

I second the question of what’s the plan here?