Using ether to seat tire beads...

[wore out]

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We have liftoff!
(I found this on the 'net, don't try it at home, kids!)

 

[rustred]

they must have had a sniff also to do that crazy idea.

 

[Timmycornpicker]

One of my neighbors mounts tractor and implement tires that way all the time. Caught a tire on fire once but no other mishaps . . . it could catch up to him someday though.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Here is another one, this time a tractor tire:

https://youtu.be/U83cVTnOQ_M?t=545

 

[SVcummins]

I do it all the time .

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

(quoted from post at 09:10:49 04/14/21) One of my neighbors mounts tractor and implement tires that way all the time. Caught a tire on fire once but no other mishaps . . . it could catch up to him someday though.

Timmy, you probably forgot about this one. I agree he's like 99.9% successful, but this one blew out:

https://youtu.be/U83cVTnOQ_M?t=545

 

[SVcummins]

Just have to be smarter than the tire . A little bit is enough flies isnt better

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 12:19:04 04/14/21) Just have to be smarter than the tire . A little bit is enough flies isnt better

one it many times, but it used to work better when we could buy ether instead of "starting fluid". Just can't be stupid in doing it. As they say, some people can mess up a w dream!

 

[fastfarmall]

I had a neighbor kid, he was very handy, good mechanic, could do about anything,he got a job out west in a plywood mill or something, out in the north west, well he was the new kid on the block, and was getting all the Shxx jobs, it was break time the foreman said you got to change that tire before you go on break,so he takes it apart, asks the shop you got a can of either, they reluctanly handed him one, he could see the rest of the crew looking out the window snikering at him,he used that trick, walks inside, ate his lunch,there was no more picking on the him, after that!

 

[wingnuttx]

Looks like kids doing it. Wingnut

 

[DoubleO7]

(quoted from post at 13:39:51 04/14/21)

(quoted from post at 12:19:04 04/14/21) Just have to be smarter than the tire . A little bit is enough flies isnt better

one it many times, but it used to work better when we could buy ether instead of "starting fluid". Just can't be stupid in doing it. As they say, some people can mess up a w dream!

John Deere sells it.
In a JD brand can with big letters "ether" on the label.
So yes, it is still sold.

We did the ether spray in to mount tires on dune buggy rims all the time. Was the only way to get an 11.00 wide tire to seat on a 14" wide rim. As an example.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

What qualifies as "stupid?"

It's mostly a matter of dumb luck. Dumb luck that you didn't blow yourself up or burn the shop down trying to figure out how much to use. Sure, once you get a feel for it, but there is a learning curve, and the only way to learn is by doing.

Not a single one of you "experienced" ether users can tell me a specific quantity of ether to use for a particular size tire.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

I saw in the artic they used lighter fluid to do the same thing. They said in very cold climates they get better traction using less air pressure and sometimes the tire would come off rim.

I don't have enough Male brass parts to do that.

 

[Steve@Advance]

Tire must have been damaged or rotten for that to have happened.

 

[jhwis]

We use acetylene. It works well.

 

[Phil-mar Farms]

I use the airline chuck right on the valve stem with no insides. I have had good luck doing it this way. Almost as good as a bead cheata

 

[Fritz Maurer]

11R24.5 - .00093 C.F. Of ether. Diameter of orifice,
pressure in can, pressure in tire, divide by 60,
multiply by 2 . Whats so hard about that?

 

[IowaJohn]

Gas in a spray bottle works good

 

[old]

Did a good many 22.5 truck tires that way

 

[SVcummins]

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 13:25:35 04/14/21) What qualifies as "stupid?"

It's mostly a matter of dumb luck. Dumb luck that you didn't blow yourself up or burn the shop down trying to figure out how much to use. Sure, once you get a feel for it, but there is a learning curve, and the only way to learn is by doing.

Not a single one of you "experienced" ether users can tell me a specific quantity of ether to use for a particular size tire.

hat would be something along the line of, "empty a whole can of ether into any size tire &amp; light it off. If that didn't work out, next trials, reduce by 1/2 each trial until success." Now you know the right amount to use. :twisted:

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Bevis and Butthead

 

[DoubleO7]

This is

 

[DoubleO7]

Some of you need to wear looser shorts, your tuckin'em too tight.

 

[Brown Swiss]

Just had a few guys near me sent to ER for tire mounting issues, no idea what they did but one was medflighted!

 

[SVcummins]

A tire can easily blow your head clear off every says well its only got a 100 pounds in it now it has 100 pounds per square inch in it or probably 10 or 20,000 pounds in it

 

[the tractor vet]

Done that many times with GOOD EITHER , cheap stuff causes fires . . Nothing like getting tubeless tires from the bottom o the stack then trying to get them to take seat . With good either one fast trip around the tire and a flame and Poof they are seated . 11 x24.5's in 16 ply are the fun ones they require a weeee bit more POOOF .

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 17:36:20 04/14/21) Done that many times with GOOD EITHER , cheap stuff causes fires . . Nothing like getting tubeless tires from the bottom o the stack then trying to get them to take seat . With good either one fast trip around the tire and a flame and Poof they are seated . 11 x24.5's in 16 ply are the fun ones they require a weeee bit more POOOF .

ight on!

 

[rlp in Co.]

Just mounted two new tires. Ether was the only way to get them to seat the bead. You need to be ready to shoot the air because when the hot air cools, it can suck the beads back off! Ether with oil in it won't work, at least it wouldn't work for me. I suspect that's what causes people to us too much, because the ether with oil is hard to get to lite off. I always wear goggles. Ha. If a person is afraid, I'm thinking that you could lay a spark plug on the tire and hook it to a fence charger and stand way back and plug in the fence charger. I haven't tried this yet, but it seems like it would work.
I think it's more dangerous to air up a tire holding the air chuck. I had a truck tire blow up on me one time when I was holding the air chuck. Luckyly I heard the tire start to make a crackle noise just before it blew! I jumped back just in time before it blew. Sounded like a stick is dynamite!I now only use clip on air chucks and stand back! I have 2, one has the guts removed for seating the beads, and the other is a regular clip on chuck. If a bead doesn't seat by the time you get to normal pressure, don't use much extra pressure! Let the air out and bounce the tire to re a range the beads. Spray some wd40 around the beads. That works well for me.I've been changing my own tires for years. By the way, that hand bead breaker from harbour freight works very well! It takes me about an hour to balance and mount a tire, so I save $20 bucks. Ill work for those wages! A tire shop can probably do it in 15 minutes!

 

[showcrop]

Which works better either or ether?

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 18:40:08 04/14/21)

Which works better either or ether?

f you can't figure that out, you have no business trying either or ether!

 

[Carlmac 369]

(quoted from post at 13:18:06 04/14/21) I do it all the time .

That's not surprising.

 

[504]

I have been around and worked on tires most of my life,I have never and will never use either on a tire. I have had enough things broken and rebuilt by surgeons,and I am not going to ask to be hurt.

 

[tomNE]

i've done it close to 50years and would still do it today if i wasn't retired!

 

[larbear]

Slighted on this topic before, awhile back. Had a good neighbour, 3 days older than me passed this last Feb. 4, 30 years ago, welding on a rim. Truck tire on a V box, 11-22's. Blew his head pretty much off and blew the steel out on the shed he was in. His cousin told me a year or so later, ya know that rim really wasn't that hot, sometime those rims are seated with ether. Welding on a rim with a tire with air in it is a no no. Seating tires is something I don't know too much about, while it might be tempting to get a tire changer, there are three within a mile radius, I'll spend the money and trust it to a professional.

 

[showcrop]

People die everyday doing marginally dangerous things. Some do slightly dangerous things and some take big chances. The ones that get incapacitated at a young age are the ones who really suffer.

 

[rustred]

people need to read posts like this. you might be making a bomb for the next guy. plus a real professional dont do this b. s. stuff, and it is not even allowed in a tire shop. sure it works just think of the stress put on that outer rim when it snaps.

 

[Fred Werring]

The few times I've used ether, I take the valve core out...seems to let enough air back in fast enough that the tire stays seated.

Fred

 

[bc]

Guess we better be careful before the tire bead seating police come along and ban ether and starting fluid or raise the age again to buy it. Sorry sir, you have to be over 80 to buy starting fluid cause at that age the government don't care what happens to you and if you do get hurt we will send you to a NY nursing home.

 

[Carlmac 369]

(quoted from post at 13:32:18 04/15/21)
Guess we better be careful before the tire bead seating police come along and ban ether and starting fluid or raise the age again to buy it. Sorry sir, you have to be over 80 to buy starting fluid cause at that age the government don't care what happens to you and if you do get hurt we will send you to a NY nursing home.

Well you guys are always ranting about rights and freedom, I guess you've the right to be stupid.

Some are quite good at it I must say.

 

[Carlmac 369]

(quoted from post at 14:40:03 04/15/21)

(quoted from post at 13:32:18 04/15/21)
Guess we better be careful before the tire bead seating police come along and ban ether and starting fluid or raise the age again to buy it. Sorry sir, you have to be over 80 to buy starting fluid cause at that age the government don't care what happens to you and if you do get hurt we will send you to a NY nursing home.

Well you guys are always ranting about rights and freedom, I guess you've the right to be stupid.

Some are quite good at it I must say.

"got the right to be stupid."

 

[caterpillar guy]

Murphy soap for tire mounting will seat them easier with less fooling around than anything out there. I've tried and used it all I believe. The soap just pushes in around the tire and wheel/rim lip to seal air in and bead just comes out on the seat of the bead. In cold weather neither nor the air bead seater work well. The mounting compound will work at any temperature with little to no problems. The local tire guys use it for just what I explained.

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 15:34:53 04/15/21) Murphy soap for tire mounting will seat them easier with less fooling around than anything out there. I've tried and used it all I believe. The soap just pushes in around the tire and wheel/rim lip to seal air in and bead just comes out on the seat of the bead. In cold weather neither nor the air bead seater work well. The mounting compound will work at any temperature with little to no problems. The local tire guys use it for just what I explained.

hat is OK as long as bead isn't so collapsed that it is in the deepest part of rim...then it is useless.