Unknown Wagon Unloader Mechanism....

[Absent Minded Farmer]

Anyone recognize this setup? Far as I can tell, it's not a Gehl, even though it is on an older Gehl 500 running gear. It has a cable setup so the false end gate can get pulled in either direction.

Mike

 

[Bob NY]

Anyone recognize this setup? Far as I can tell, it's not a Gehl, even though it is on an older Gehl 500 running gear. It has a cable setup so the false end gate can get pulled in either direction.

Mike

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A neighbor had a couple of those back around 1960. I think the mechanical part was a kit that he bought and he built the box. I have no idea what company made the kit.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Looks like an old McKee tailgate for the self unloading wagons of for the hay pitch off wagons where you would fork the hay into the back side of the chopper to blow it up in the mow in the barn. Ours was just enough newer you swung the pipe from the wagon over to the pipe in the mow to unload and the beaters would unload and throw it into the back side of the chopper to which the fan would blow it in the mow. We could blow hay about 60 feet out and up to the peak of the barn then change to blow into the west end of the barn with 12-16 fet of pipe almost straight up to get filled to the peak at the west end of the barn. First 6 feet was to get up to the floor level of that end of the barn since we drove through the old drive floor to blow the hay in. You could run it with a lot of effort on an H just not very fast nor powerful. The 830 case worked about the best plenty of power and would handle the weight of the chopper and a 26 foot long wagon.

 

[paul]

About 4-5 in the neighborhood converted their barge boxes, about 100 bu size, to work like that for corn silage season. Added on taller sides (end up about 200bu size maybe?), take off the front and rear, add the false front and the tall end gate and pipe setup for the cable. I was about 6 or so the last time we filled the silo that way, I do think all the contraption to convert the barge box is still here in the corners of the sheds.

Don’t know any brand, most of our stuff was home made maybe the pipe connection was purchased.

Paul

 

[Tim in New York]

Old guy I helped back in the 1970's had 2 wagons set up like that. He used flat bed wagons that he would put on plywood sides in the fall. He still had some of the horse drawn equipment that he and his father converted when they got their first tractors. I imagine someone made kits that he had bought from Sears or Wards back in the 40's. He had small electric contraption with a square shaft that hooked into the pipes. I was young, so I really liked pulling the green silage off the wagon with a potato hook, into the belt driven table blower.

He pulled the very old JD chopper with an IH 460 utility, and often pulled the wagons with an H. I don't remember if he ever hooked the wagons behind the chopper or not. The W-4 ran the blower -first tractor he owned with rubber tires.

Tim

 

[Centerplate]

Anyone recognize this setup? Far as I can tell, it's not a Gehl, even though it is on an older Gehl 500 running gear. It has a cable setup so the false end gate can get pulled in either direction.

Mike

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My Father bought a New Holland 600 chopper with corn head and windrow head, a blower and 3 false end gate wagons in 1951. We used it at least two decades. The wagons had a pipe on the rear that pulled the end gate to unload and a single cable returned it to the front of the wagon. The mechanism to unload had an electric motor through a set of gears turned the pipe to bring the entire load to the rear. There was a large door that we propped open and used a corn drag to feed the long hopper blower. one periodically turned on the mechanism to advance the load so you could reach the hay or corn silage with the corn drag. When the wagon was empty the tumble bar shaft was attached to a different stub on the machine that ran much faster in reverse to send the false end gate to the front. I did not know who manufactured the wagon boxes, but the running gear was made by Electric Gear. The first tractor to power the chopper was a Farmall F-30 and very soon replaced by an Oliver 88.

 

[used red MN]

For the most part silage chopping on our farm was over with when I was old enough to drive a tractor in the late 60s. There was a couple occasions when I believe a drought year caused a decision to be made to chop part of the crop. Once or twice I think it was milo that was chopped. Doesn’t really help the OP any but our silage wagons were converted grain box wagons with higher sides and an end gate they didn’t have winch setups. We always chopped into a trench or piled it on the ground. So nothing went into an upright or blower. The wagons had false fronts/pushers in them. A chain would stretch to the back so the packing tractor could hook onto it after the full wagon was pulled over the pile or later when it got larger just backed onto it as far as possible. The packing tractor would slide the load out of the back or if not capable it would just anchor and the wagon was pulled forward to dump it. There was a lighter chain that fastened the pusher to the front of the wagon so it couldn’t be pulled out the back. After the dump you had to physically pull the false front back to the front of the wagon on its skids by the front chain. This was quite a task at first until everything got slicked up after several loads.

 

[Absent Minded Farmer]

Old guy I helped back in the 1970's had 2 wagons set up like that. He used flat bed wagons that he would put on plywood sides in the fall. He still had some of the horse drawn equipment that he and his father converted when they got their first tractors. I imagine someone made kits that he had bought from Sears or Wards back in the 40's. He had small electric contraption with a square shaft that hooked into the pipes. I was young, so I really liked pulling the green silage off the wagon with a potato hook, into the belt driven table blower.

He pulled the very old JD chopper with an IH 460 utility, and often pulled the wagons with an H. I don't remember if he ever hooked the wagons behind the chopper or not. The W-4 ran the blower -first tractor he owned with rubber tires.

Tim

I forgot to check Sears & Wards, thanks!

Mike

 

[chcase]

Anyone recognize this setup? Far as I can tell, it's not a Gehl, even though it is on an older Gehl 500 running gear. It has a cable setup so the false end gate can get pulled in either direction.

Mike

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Not sure of the make of the unit. As a small kid had a neighbor that we used his wagons. Dad told me the unit was sold new from Sears as a farmer could then use his converted flat wagons for fall use. The pictures sure bring back memories of my older siblings helping to unload silage.

 

[wolfman]

I have this unloader setup. Home made oak box . Dad bought the unloading mechanism from local AC dealer (likely aftermarket). We built the box of oak , put it on a Cobey running gear. It has a crank to hand-crank the false endgate back to the front when wagon is empty. Works well.

 

[wolfman]

There is a PTO shaft, attaches to tractor and to the unloading device on that square stub showing in your picture.

 

[wolfman]

My Colby running gear, wood silage wagon with this PTO false endgate unloading set up sits in a shed and has been used to store stuff for the last 20 or 30 years. Silage wagon worked hard in the 60s and 70s. Put in shed every night.

 

[JimB2]

My Father bought a New Holland 600 chopper with corn head and windrow head, a blower and 3 false end gate wagons in 1951. We used it at least two decades. The wagons had a pipe on the rear that pulled the end gate to unload and a single cable returned it to the front of the wagon. The mechanism to unload had an electric motor through a set of gears turned the pipe to bring the entire load to the rear. There was a large door that we propped open and used a corn drag to feed the long hopper blower. one periodically turned on the mechanism to advance the load so you could reach the hay or corn silage with the corn drag. When the wagon was empty the tumble bar shaft was attached to a different stub on the machine that ran much faster in reverse to send the false end gate to the front. I did not know who manufactured the wagon boxes, but the running gear was made by Electric Gear. The first tractor to power the chopper was a Farmall F-30 and very soon replaced by an Oliver 88.

My Dad bought the same NH chopper and two sets of wagon hardware around 1952. The chopper had a V4 Wisconsin engine on it. He pulled the chopper with a Farmall SC when chopping hay he could pull the wagon behind but for corn he shared with neighbors and they pulled the wagon along side the chopper except for the first two rounds.
Re wagons, the year before Dad had cut pine logs, had them sawed, dried and planed. He bought two IH running gears and the two kits to build the false front forage boxes . When I was not in school that spring my Grandfather and I constructed the forage boxes . The NH blower had the ratchet wheel mounted on and driven from the blower, there was like a. PTO shaft that went into the end of the roller at the back of the forage box that had the two cables connected to the false front of the forage box, as the roller turned it would winch the false front rearward pushing the forage out the rear door and into the blower trough. The speed of the ratchet wheel was controlled by a lever on the blower. The first year Dad had the forage setup he used an IH 10-20 to drive the blower, the next year he bought a Ford 8N. A couple years later he added a third forage wagon and started filling about 10 neighbor’s silos. The wagons were used until the late 1960s when he bought self unloading wagons and JD blower.