Finally spit tractor to get to stuck clutch - what is the consensus here?

[RobRightmyer]

Thanks to Kevin for sending me the link to a video of how he splits his A's. The clutch was not stuck to the flywheel but instead the edges were stuck due to the critters that got in there. I'm not certain we even need a new clutch but it couldn't hurt. The pressure play looks very different than the photo on this web site. What do you think I should do besides clean up the fly wheel? Maybe new cutch but pressure plate as well? or clutch and throw out bearing? First time splitting the tractor and my son and I feel accomplished.

Thanks for all the help,
Rob

 

[SkipperII]

Just my personal opinion. You've gone to the labor of splitting it, replace it all. and be done with it.

 

[Mrfred54]

With it apart, replace the pilot bushing,clutch,pressure plate,and throw out bearing. I wouldn't put old parts back in

 

[kshansen]

With it apart, replace the pilot bushing,clutch,pressure plate,and throw out bearing. I wouldn't put old parts back in

No idea how much you will be using this tractor or for what, but I put a new clutch in my BN something like 25 or 30 years ago and using it to mow around 10 acres of grass and for other stuff and it's still working good. Heck it will most likely out last me by a few years! Do it right and be done with it!

 

[slim]

With it apart, replace the pilot bushing,clutch,pressure plate,and throw out bearing. I wouldn't put old parts back in

My opinion only but this along with resurfacing the flywheel is the correct answer.

But I don’t know what you will be using the tractor for or what your budget is. But it all doesn’t look too worn just rusty and pitted. If the tractor won’t be used many hours per year you could probably clean everything up and sand the surfaces clean. I would definitely replace the throw out bearing and clutch disk. Then go from there as you inspect everything else after it’s cleaned up.

You’re going to have lots of time cleaning so you may prefer just to do all new parts to save time.

Good luck.

slim

 

[Fritz Maurer]

Every now and then you'll see a discussion about flipping the ring gear over.

No one is ever concerned about the amount of work required for THAT operation, just to reuse a worn out , beat up piece and save a couple bucks. They will never say, " Put in a new one while you're in there, and do it right!"

Being able to reuse the ring gear is the holy grail of tractor restoration, in their eyes....

 

[m16ty]

Never split a tractor without replacing all the wear parts in the clutch housing, even if the clutch wasn’t the reason it split. A clutch, pressure plate, pilot bearing, throw out bearing, and ever a rear main seal doesn’t cost all that much, much easier to just replace while you are already in there

 

[urbancase]

if it was me replace all, i just did the same last year on a 986. once you there fix everything and do it once.

 

[grandpa Love]

Thanks to Kevin for sending me the link to a video of how he splits his A's. The clutch was not stuck to the flywheel but instead the edges were stuck due to the critters that got in there. I'm not certain we even need a new clutch but it couldn't hurt. The pressure play looks very different than the photo on this web site. What do you think I should do besides clean up the fly wheel? Maybe new cutch but pressure plate as well? or clutch and throw out bearing? First time splitting the tractor and my son and I feel accomplished.

Thanks for all the help,
Rob
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[m16ty]

The throw out "bearing" isn't really a bearing. Does it spin? Is it beat up? If it looks good I would reuse it. The pilot bushing is easy enough to check,if it looks complete,no chunks missing, leave it. If you try to install a new one and "mushroom" it out even a tiny bit the shaft will never stop spinning . If your pressure plate fingers all move ,I would lightly sand it clean. If your clutch disk looks good I would lightly sand it clean . If I didn't have a big budget for this I would reuse everything..... provided it looks good. BUT, y'all know I'm cheap . Splitting that tractor ain't that hard to do. It's worth the gamble in my opinion.

A throw out bearing isn’t really a bearing? If I weren’t replacing anything else I’d replace the throw out bearing (which is an actual bearing).

 

[m16ty]

Every now and then you'll see a discussion about flipping the ring gear over.

No one is ever concerned about the amount of work required for THAT operation, just to reuse a worn out , beat up piece and save a couple bucks. They will never say, " Put in a new one while you're in there, and do it right!"

Being able to reuse the ring gear is the holy grail of tractor restoration, in their eyes....

Ring gears are cheap. Only reason I see to ever reuse one is if a new one is no longer available.

 

[RobRightmyer]

The budget is not an issue if you look at my picture of the pressure plate, that pressure plate looks nothing like the advertised one sold here. That is my major concern. We will use a new clutch plate as it's apart. And as Kevin said, it's not that hard to split p the first time kind of scary but Robby and I can split them no problem now. So is this pictured clutch and pressure plate going to work or do I need a different one?

 

[Jim Becker]

IH used clutches sourced from both Auburn and Rockford. (You can see both in the parts catalog.) Your existing one is an Auburn. The replacements available today are Rockford style (and made by who knows who). They interchange with no complication.

 

[RobRightmyer]

IH used clutches sourced from both Auburn and Rockford. (You can see both in the parts catalog.) Your existing one is an Auburn. The replacements available today are Rockford style (and made by who knows who). They interchange with no complication.

Thanks for the help.

 

[560Dennis]

You can get what you need from YT store. If you’re flipping it just wire brush it and put together. Can’t make any money doing it right with new parts .

 

[the tractior vet]

Thanks to Kevin for sending me the link to a video of how he splits his A's. The clutch was not stuck to the flywheel but instead the edges were stuck due to the critters that got in there. I'm not certain we even need a new clutch but it couldn't hurt. The pressure play looks very different than the photo on this web site. What do you think I should do besides clean up the fly wheel? Maybe new cutch but pressure plate as well? or clutch and throw out bearing? First time splitting the tractor and my son and I feel accomplished.

Thanks for all the help,
Rob
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welp not like the rest of spending money when not needed . what i SEE is a clutch that is not that old or wore out just sat way to long . I MIGHT ChECK the bearings clean up what ya have and slide it back together . Money does not grow on trees as that clutch was not been put in that LONG AGO . Some light sanding to remove the rust clean up the splines and it will out last you . I have dealt with stuck clutches many times for guys and MOST TIMES depending on the tractor i do not even split them and don't even take out the pressure plate bolts just back them off reach in with a lady foot bar and pop them loose and tighten up the bolts on the pressure plate and ship it billing then three four hours . While i was still working full time stuck clutch jobs started in Feb. when guys were waking up there sleeping toys for barn cleaning . The ones i could get to the bolts thru the starter hole i would pull the starter loosen the ppa bolts stick a lady's foot bar in and pop it loose and tighthen up the bolts and stuff the starter back in fire up the tractor ans slip the clutch a bit all done and i am out of there and they are back to work . ya got several calls each years same thing , some it took longer to drive to then to do the job . Tractors setting in sheds with temp changes high moisture from fall till weather warm up was the main cause .

 

[RobRightmyer]

I am not flipping this. It's my plowing A. I got it maybe 10 years ago with chains, front plow and wood mower for $1250. She's hand crank and has always run just the clutch got stuck due to not being run in the summer and mice getting in.

 

[560Dennis]

Mice sure make a mess.

 

[wh]

Split my H last winter for a ring gear. Had clutch relined by a company in Birmingham Al. Ordered new ring gear online from somewhere. Did not replace anything else. Plate fingers were fine. Had a random guy when i was picking up clutch face say i should change throw out bearing and pilot bearing. Told him mine was fine and would probably outlast anything made today. When i started driving dad was adamant about not riding or resting your foot on clutch pedal. Always idle down and stop to change gear. Thru the years we never had clutch trouble. You do you.

 

[560Dennis]

Since your keeping this tractor, Check conditions of the lever spring 51461d (discontinued ). One on the super c broke. Had to split the tractor and found what it was causing the screeching sounds. The cost of replacement springs , was more cost effective to just buy a clutch kit from YT .
75 year old spring is something you don’t want have go bad when you drop the plows into the field .
This what happened to me .