Should I buy it?

[bradleydavidgood]

 

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[bradleydavidgood]

Question:
I found the drain, fill, and dipstick for the hydraulic and transmission in the center rear area. I also found drain plugs on each side in the housings that drive the tracks. I think this is called the final drive. I could not find fill plugs for those side housings (final drives). Can anyone give any insight to that? Are they fed by the center reservoir and just drained on the sides?

I want to replace all the fluids before running it.

Thanks!

 

[used red MN]

Sorry, but I don’t know how else to say this. You approached this like the “blind leading the blind” Going out to start that thing with no clue of how the glow plug system is supposed to work, very poor planning. You should have ran a thread on here asking “What is the best approach to starting this machine” and run that up to about 80 replies at that point you would have been far more knowledgeable about what you were facing.
FYI, if you heat those glow plugs and spray ether at it you can very well blow the head gasket right out of its gap between the block and head.
Why only 3 minute long videos??

 

[used red MN]

Look at my reply 9 in this previous YT thread. It very likely explains what has happened in that Roosamaster IJP.
Older YT thread on starting a diesel that has been setting

 

[used red MN]

Look at my reply 9 in this previous YT thread. It very likely explains what has happened in that Roosamaster IJP.
Older YT thread on starting a diesel that has been setting

I see the link is not good in that thread. Here it is
Stanadyne (Roosamaster) DM pump manual

 

[bradleydavidgood]

Sorry, but I don’t know how else to say this. You approached this like the “blind leading the blind” Going out to start that thing with no clue of how the glow plug system is supposed to work, very poor planning. You should have ran a thread on here asking “What is the best approach to starting this machine” and run that up to about 80 replies at that point you would have been far more knowledgeable about what you were facing.
FYI, if you heat those glow plugs and spray ether at it you can very well blow the head gasket right out of its gap between the block and head.
Why only 3 minute long videos??

It would have been nice to wait for 80 replies but that may take weeks or months. We didn't heat the glow plugs and spray ether. But that's good to know.
Youtube shorts are 3 minutes or 15 seconds. It is the most watched type of video that people want to see, because it is short and they have time for it, and it is vertical for viewing on a phone. And it is easy to produce, on the phone, in the field, without sitting at a desk with an editing tool.

Thanks for your input!

 

[bradleydavidgood]

Look at my reply 9 in this previous YT thread. It very likely explains what has happened in that Roosamaster IJP.
Older YT thread on starting a diesel that has been setting

Excellent thank you!

Yes, from many mechanics we have heard this and it is what we suspect.

One mechanic told us that their shop could probably rebuild it for about $500 but they couldn't start it for 6 weeks or more. I said I'm a DIY mechanic and pretty handy, if I find good instructions and videos, I've been known to do hard things. He said nothing about it is hard, just a lot of work that has to be done right and said I could probably do it.
But you advise against it, so I hear that. But I don't have much to lose, because I didn't pay for the machine, and if I fail, I don't have to buy it, and if I have all of the parts, the owner can always take them to shop later if he decides. But I doubt he will, because I don't think he will invest $500.

 

[bradleydavidgood]

Question:
I found the drain, fill, and dipstick for the hydraulic and transmission in the center rear area. I also found drain plugs on each side in the housings that drive the tracks. I think this is called the final drive. I could not find fill plugs for those side housings (final drives). Can anyone give any insight to that? Are they fed by the center reservoir and just drained on the sides?

I want to replace all the fluids before running it.

Thanks!

 

[miangus]

The price seems right. But that's about it. You need a bigger machine. Unless you have experience in dozer operation you will get that experience before you finish the job done. I expect you may also be a trained IH mechanic. An experienced operator with the right machine will made short work of your project, an inexperienced operator like me will take fore ever and the job would look like it was done by a nonprofessional. But that machine looks fun.

 

[used red MN]

It would have been nice to wait for 80 replies but that may take weeks or months.

The 80 replies was a “squirrelish” number I just shot out there. I bet in 3 days to maybe a week you would have been pretty well informed about the glow plugs and their use as well as many other items you came to face head on. Although it turns out that the glow plugs would have been of zero use if the IJP wasn’t pumping fuel to the injectors. Best of luck. Seems that getting the guy to get it running didn’t happen. Hope you’re working on a different price now?

 

[Mark EC.IN]

You have said you are a pretty good mechanic, and I bet you will be a better mechanic in a few months if you buy it.

But I bet you will not have moved any dirt with it.

 

[the tractior vet]

You have said you are a pretty good mechanic, and I bet you will be a better mechanic in a few months if you buy it.

But I bet you will not have moved any dirt with it.

As once said a LONG TIME AGO , THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MIN. Me , would i buy it , Nope myself even knowing drozers and I H stuff inside and out i would never go down that rabbit hole . 99% of the time when it comes to Cheap and that one is NOT cheap you will have four to five times the price you paid just to get it to move . Case in point here , I had a young guy years back who bought a Case 580 B back hoe off a guy south of me who lied thru his teeth to this guy on the condition . This hoe had the hyd reverser , it would move forward for maybe 15 min then nothing but reverse it worked fine . this new owner begged me to fix it . I tried to tell him that i do not like working on industrial and if i did he was not going to like what it was going to cost . i went against my better judgement and took on the job , the 580 B is nothing more then and old 580 with a out hose on it a pain to SPLIT a nightmare just getting to what ya had to remove to make the split . We ate up HOURS on this . Get it split the reverser out and on the stand and start into it . OH neat Case does not support parts anymore and none could be found and no after market . The part guy at the Case store did some digging and came up with a unit that ya could MAKE work BUT this was for a industrial tractor with a PTO and a thru shaft and to make it work ya had to install four soft plugs that were NOT available anymore , the unit was priced at now get this 8575 yep 8 thousand five hundred and seventyfive buck U S three grand more then he paid for it . he said get it , so i got the last one they had . Now to make it work i had to have plus made to PRESS in and Stay against 300 PSI pressure by a machine shop more money . I made it work and handed him the biggest repair bill i ever handed to someone . What he had in that 580 B he could have jumped five model's newer that would have lasted him a long time . later on i got involved in putting a J D 440 dozer back together that came in KIT form and one running only to find out the Manual reverser was Toast . all the work of putting the engine back together rewiring replacing J D gauges in putting light on J D light only to find out the reverser is toast . A old friend asked me to go check out a 850 J D B he was thinking about buying , when he told me who the seller was i told him he was looking at total scrap but went anyway . The seller showed me that it fired right up and it moved , fine now where is some DIRT i want to run it . So we put it in the dirt and i showed no mercy and got it up to operating temp fast when the problems raised there ugly heads , she was slowing down and pulling left requiring constant right pressure on the right steering pedal trans pressure was dropping . Ok we are done here i have seen enough she is junk it needs new hydro motors and pumps , engine is ok the chain is 3/4 wore out and needs new pins and bushing and new sprockets and we have not even looked at the bottom rollers . On that 340 as soon as i saw the amount of adjustment left on the track tentioner told me all i needed to know of undercarriage , IF you can even find chains for it and new sprockets and with out needling new bottom rollers and the ft idlers are still good bearing and seal wise your looking at somewhere around 3500 to 5 grand . and a track that is going to come off in uneven ground while making a turn or on a side hill . BTDT not fun at all..

 

[bradleydavidgood]

I spent another day with the Barn Doctor working at the TD340.

So far I've spent mostly hours and not much on materials, and I've gained lots of experience and knowledge of this type of equipment. And I've enjoyed it thoroughly.

And I've enjoyed working with the Amish Maguyver, he's quite a character, and makes use of everything and is a decent problem solver.

So I'm enjoying the work and the company and gaining knowledge and experience well worth my time.

I showed up this time with 3 fan belts of different sizes because the OG was broken, 3 buckets of hydraulic fluid, a bucket of engine oil, and some fuel hose fittings from amazon.

The only thing I think I used so far was the fittings. Haven't opened any of the fluids, so they can be donated to my favorite farm if we don't get the diesel running.

In that last day I think what we accomplished was to exhaust every idea that he and I had to start this thing.

And I drained the hydraulic fluid and saw the status of that. A lot of water at first, then a lot of fluid in very good condition, and then some clumpy stuff and sediment.

I've also been watching videos and know about the hydraulic fluid filter, and engine filter.

My theory is that the fuel injection pump is frozen. I've heard that 3 times from either Amish mechanics we talked to or videos or some forum post somewhere.

The Doctor is going to try to get a mechanic friend/family or 2 to look at it and see what they think.

I told him if they don't get it running, and they also suspect the fuel injection pump, that I'd vote for taking the lid off that and since we sucked the fuel out of it, fill it with ATF and let it sit for a couple of days, then turn it over, maybe suck the ATF back out, try starting it again. And if that doesn't work, maybe even add some acetone to the ATF. If a rebuild is necessary, any rubber, seals, diaphragms are going to be replaced anyway so why not try it.

I've researched the oil and hydraulic filter and the kit to rebuild the fuel injection pump.

I also found a video on how to rebuild the pump and the pump manual, or a similar pump manual. I haven't gone thru those in detail but as my goal lately is to learn mechanics and take on challenging jobs I think this is a great opportunity even if I fail.

I'm ordering the filters and the rebuild kit all for $97.

If the doctor can't get it running with the mechanics, I'm going to offer that if we can get it off and onto my bench at home, I'll be willing to take a stab at rebuilding it. I will let him know that I could fail, and/or ruin it, but I'll carefully save and document all the parts and youtube short video all of it along the way.

But I don't think he will pay $500-1500 for a shop to rebuild it anyway, so I may be his last hope to get that thing running. I'm certainly not going to spend that money.

But a $50 for a rebuild kit, yes, I'm glad to try that just to learn.

Then if we get it running, then I'll dump in my new fluids and the filters, and that's another $200 or whatever it is, and again, I'm good with that, just for the experience and chance that it may perform.

I have some videos from the 2nd day I'll post later, gotta go for now.

Thanks for your help!

 

[bradleydavidgood]