1135 engine work

[Animal]

My tractor is going through two gallon of oil in a ten hour day. I am going to drain the fluids and get the tin work off tomorrow and start taking it apart Sat. Is their any thing special about this motor I should be aware of, or any advice? I would appreciate it.

 

[DavidP, South Wales]

Hi,
My info gives the 1135 as having a AT6.354.1 engine. Correct? This seems an incredible amount to get through. Is the tractor working VERY hard in that time? Before going in too far it would be a good idea to start with the turbo. If the seals have worn/failed you would use? a lot of oil here. The rest of the engine might just be ok. Do you have someone locally who could test the turbo and repair if necessary?

DavidP, South Wales

 

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The turbo was my thought too. Known for issues.

 

[MHF]

Always a good idea with a 354 is to make sure it is running at operating temp. If it is running cold for a period of time they will start to consume alot of oil. I agree with these guys start with turbo. take the intake hose off and grab the turbo shaft if it has any side to side movement or in and out I would be suspicious of it.

 

[Tom-TX]

I would not start by draining the fluids and taking it apart. As others said check turbo. Perform wet and dry compression tests. How many hours does it have? How long have you owned it? How is the power? How long has it been using oil?How is the oil pressure (install a temporary good guage if necessary)? Any engine knocking or rattling above normal?
Once you tear into it you have lost all chances of finding the problem and its cause.
Get real MF Repair Manual BEFORE tearing into it.
Tom

 

[Kyle Ladowski]

About 15 years ago the neighbor bougth a 1105....it was blowing oil out the exhaust. Turbo checked out okay. The oil rings in the engine had lost their tension and weren't doing their job. We ended up re ringing it and doing a valve job. Ran great after. The perkins engines of this age like to have the maximum amount of compression or they don't start or run as well. We had to cut in new valve seat inserts in all 12 on the head to get the valves to the minimum allowed recession. They also like the piston as close to the head as specs allow. Sometimes offset boring the wrist pin bushing is needed to achieve this.

The bearings looked like new with 3500 hours on the tach.

hope this helps,
Kyle

 

[Animal]

Thanks for all the input fellas. I replaced this turbo a year ago, I bought the tractor two years ago, this was my third season with it. It had thirty four hundred hours on it when I bought it and it has almost thirty seven fifty on it now. I use it for plowing with a four bottom plow and a fourteen foot disc. I bale with it using a 504 Vermeer so I am not really pulling the guts out of it. I changed water pump and thermostats last spring. It starts and runs well,but I get a lot of blowby smell in the cab. I have ran this by alot of knowledgable folks being machinists, mechanics and a couple of white and massey dealers. Everyone thinks this is strange. Buying the tractor used I have no Idea how it was treatd in the past. At this point my bet is valve guides or bad oil control rings. I am a retired heavy equipment mechanic of forty years and I have never seen any diesel engine start and run so well for using this much oil. I just hate to tear this motor down but it has to be fixed cause I love this tractor, I would not trade it for a new one.

 

[DavidP, South Wales]

Hi,
Your reply makes things a lot clearer. If we can rule out the turbo then you will have to think in terms of removing the cylinder head as a start. This will give you a chance to check the valves and valve guides as well as the seals if fitted. Inspection of the bores will indicate how efficiently the oil rings are working. You should be able to drop the sump (oil pan) and remove the pistons. Check the ring condition, gaps and piston grooves. We had a similar problem with an A4.248 some years ago and the only thing that cured it was to fit a set of genuine Perkins rings. If you can get away with rings, all well and good. Check also that the engine breather is clear.
DavidP, South Wales

 

[WorldWideTractorParts]

We had a problem like this when they used chrome rings with the hardened sleeves. The rings wouldnt seal because everything was too hard. You dont have enough hours on it for it to be wore out yet.

 

[DavidP, South Wales]

Agreed, but without knowing the srvice history or lack of it, nothing can be taken for granted.

DavidP

 

[Erik Ks farmer]

Animal, I have an 1135 that I bought this spring with about 3200 hours on it. I have the same issue, it burns around a gallon of oil in a day running the 554 Vermeer, or pulling an 18 foot disc it uses the same amount. It has a freshly surface head and a new gasket and a strong turbo. We did not replace the rings when the head was off, so that is my guess. Sure wish I had taken the extra precaution then.

 

[Luke long]

there is several things that can happen in this case. if the engine was ever over heated it can take the tention out of the compression rings and make it sort of suck oil. 2. if the engine has been reringed and the "old liners" still have the glaze on them the new ring have trouble seating.3 or the valve guides are worn with hardened seals letting oil by, maybe both at once. I had the same problem on a 1135 with about 2800 hrs. the liners speced out but the rings simply lost there spring. engine ran good but used a gallon+ of oil a day plowing. we reworked the head, put new perkins rings in and new rod bearings even though the bearings looked good, if your there already, fix it right.