12 volt hydraulic pump

[Graveyard1984]

My tractor does not have hydraulics.
Ive been thinking about putting a
12volt hydraulic pump. I know one guy
that has done it and swears it works
better than his kubota does. His came
from northern tool.
Has anyone ever done this?
What brands and what models work best?


Do they make a hydraulic that is pto
driven?


What would be the best option?

Thanks for the info

 

[Royse]

"Do they make a hydraulic that is pto driven?"

Yes they do/did. Also engine driven. What brand/model tractor?

 

[kcm.MN]

Here are some PTO-driven hydraulic pumps:
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Pumps/PTO-Pumps/

It was common on many older front loaders to have a PTO-driven hydraulic pump, as many earlier tractors didn't have enough capacity for a loader. So many of the loaders came with the pump, hoses, reservoir and controls, all as one unit.

 

[Graveyard1984]

M farmall

 

[Janicholson]

Sure. Should you do it? Maybe. If your intent is to lift a cultivator at the end of the field, or some other mild intermittent task, it will probably work. If it is to run a loader, or a 3 point hitch. It will have either poor speed, or it will run your battery down after an hour or less of use. PTO driven hydraulic pumps are far better for real useful applications.
Surplus Center link PTO

 

[Graveyard1984]

Only disadvantage is with a pto style pump i can't use my bush hogg.

 

[SodBuster87]

Could go a couple different ways. 1) add a belly pump from a junker 2) add a live hyd pump from a 400. 3) use a belt driven "clutch pump" Which option is best would depend on your budget and intended use.

Sod Buster

 

[old]

You can install a hyd pump in front of the distributor but if it has fiber gears you need to also replace them while your at it. A pump from either a 400 or 450 not sure which will fit. Of course there is a bit more to it then that but it is a start. Or you can do like I did on a B and used a power steering pump fro ma Chevy pickup for hyds

 

[Janicholson]

The PTO based pumps can be fitted (and are almost all setup this way) With a pass through stub shaft that extends the PTO out the back. Surplus center has them. It will not be live hydraulics, but will work.
Three other options exist. Put a Liftall Pump in the center of the tractor. It is usually about 750 to 8oo psi, but will work well. Again the clutch must be engaged (let out) to work, not live PTO.
You could have a Live pump attached to the engine (original equipment on Super Ms) The difficulty with this is that unless your M was produced from mid 1950 or newer, the front timing gears on the cam, and the front cover will need to be replaced with later components. The OEM live pump has a different bolt pattern, and the original cam timing gear is weak, and will often break.
The third way is to fabricate brackets and pulleys to drive a belt driven pump from the front of the engine. Again engineering is needed. All these solutions need a control system, hoses, and a reservoir to operate. Jim

 

[Keith-OR]

Yes ya can, just get an extended PTO shaft. I have one on my Oliver Super 77. I think it is a 12 in extender., I have room to attach my brush hog and Howard tiller behind my pto hydraulic pump.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

I haven't added a 12v pump to a tractor.
However I do have a 12v pump on dump trailer.
Better measure the amps the pump uses.
I have to disconnect the charging wire connected to my truck when dumping or I'll blow the 30 amp fuse if truck is running.
I have same charging wire connected to my tractor. When dumping I have to idle the tractor and watch the ammeter. At an idle, the ammeter shows 20 amps.

My concern; can the tractor's alternator handle the added load. I think my pump uses 150 amps.

My second concern is the pump's flow rate. It takes my trailer 3 minutes total up and down. That will zap the battery after 4 dumps.

 

[RCP]

A crankshaft driven pump with a remote reservoir and hydraulic valves is probably your best approach if you need significant hydraulic capacity.

Rich

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Previous owner had a loader on my Jubilee. The pump was attached to the front of crankshaft with the 4 bolts that held the pulley in place. They had to cut a hole in sheet metal.

Doubt if the bolt pattern is the same. You can have the adaptor the pump attached to.

Not sure if your tractor has a live PTO. Putting the pump on crank was the only way to go on Jubilee because it doesn't have a live PTO.

 

[Graveyard1984]

I work in a cemetery and we have a 12volt hydraulic pump on our dump trailer and we dump it 8 or so times before we change the battery. We take it out to charge it.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Are you charging battery when operating trailer? Or do you plan to use a different battery on tractor?

My concern is the same. Will you damage tractor's alternator?

 

[Determined]

I have a few of the 12 volt over hydraulic power packs.

They work well when sized to the job.

One runs the hydraulic cylinder for the back door on an enclosed trailer.

Another ran the cylinder for a grapple, I had it sitting around and it was easier to put it on instead of adding plumbing for a third hydraulic circuit.

Another I used to raise and lower a carted rake when pulling it with something that did not have hydraulics.

Permanently mounted or as a stand alone unit they are quite handy, raising implements into transport mode at a sale so you can pull them home with a truck, raising a loader on a dead tractor so it can be moved or loaded on a trailer, bench testing cylinders the list goes on, they are generally not fast or high volume but depending on what you want to do they can work well.

Power tailgates from delivery trucks and snowplows are a good source for used ones, some are single acting some are double.

 

[ss55]

If you don't need live hydraulics or high pressure, a used belly pump might be the cheapest and easiest option. I think the pump, reservoir and valve are all in one complete bolt-in package. Ask about this on the IH/Farmall forum on this site. I think someone familiar with them can install a factory belly pump in less than one hour.

 

[David G]

An M is pretty easy to put live hydraulics on, get the parts off a 400 or 450.

 

[onefarmer]

Checkout ebay for a mw live pump for a M. It will have mounting holes for both the M front cover and the SM-450. To put a Farmall live pump on, it will need the front cover changed as the bolt pattern is slightly different. For both the can gear will need to be changed. The M gear is too thin and weak. New ones can be had. I got mine from Steiner. Yt should have them too.

 

[Graveyard1984]

It doesn't have a belly pump it was taken off before i brought the tractor. It was a pulling tractor and i quit pulling so though about putting it back to work