1256 407DT Rebuild

Luther D

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Hey all. We purchased a 1256 this spring, mostly for cultivation purposes. It had quite a lot of blowby (front axle getting free rustproofing every time it ran) but worked fine for our purposes until July or so. Always sounded like it had a miss at idle but cleared up with some throttle. Over a 9 hour day it would use about a qt running at ~2k rpm in low 3. Wasn't working it very hard.

In July when I got into the taller corn and was running full throttle in high 2 it blew all the oil through the crankcase vent in 2 hours. Oil pressure light came on, shut down right away, and i had a long walk to fetch oil and think it over. Neighbor with a lifetime of IH experience said he thought it was a cracked ring.

Well its apart and no cracked rings. 2 cylinder sleeves have a ~1in vertical crack coming from the top. Above the highest point of ring travel. Conn rod bearings are pretty worn, copper showing on the top end right where it takes the most load on all 6. Sleeves are worn past the max 4.3219 but not by much. #1 is 7 thousands out of round as well, i imagine thats related to the cracked sleeve. Could that much oil slip by that gap that quick?4.325 or so is the average cylinder diameter. We're in this far so we will be doing an in-frame rebuild and getting the neighbor to bring the sleeve tool over to help me out with that critical part of the build. Hoping he'll hang out for most of it to check my work.

I suppose I'm just looking for your thoughts on what could cause so much blowby if not cracked rings or really excessive cylinder wear. Something past the standard or obvious. I'd just hate to go through with the overhaul and be right where we started because my lack of years and experience caused me to miss something. The rings are definitely worn down as well. Ring end gaps way out of spec. I have pictures of all if you'd like them. I'll attach one with it hooked up in the field. It's a handsome machine.
 

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u bet , once the sleeves and pistons and rings wear your done. new kit is the answer.(y) your oil consumption is nothing ! i can blow through a gallon in a day with my cockshutt 1755. 301 walkasha . it was a stuck engine and i cheated and did not tear it down . more proof in the pudding working engines that were stuck there is no guarantee what the end result is.
 
Hey all. We purchased a 1256 this spring, mostly for cultivation purposes. It had quite a lot of blowby (front axle getting free rustproofing every time it ran) but worked fine for our purposes until July or so. Always sounded like it had a miss at idle but cleared up with some throttle. Over a 9 hour day it would use about a qt running at ~2k rpm in low 3. Wasn't working it very hard.

In July when I got into the taller corn and was running full throttle in high 2 it blew all the oil through the crankcase vent in 2 hours. Oil pressure light came on, shut down right away, and i had a long walk to fetch oil and think it over. Neighbor with a lifetime of IH experience said he thought it was a cracked ring.

Well its apart and no cracked rings. 2 cylinder sleeves have a ~1in vertical crack coming from the top. Above the highest point of ring travel. Conn rod bearings are pretty worn, copper showing on the top end right where it takes the most load on all 6. Sleeves are worn past the max 4.3219 but not by much. #1 is 7 thousands out of round as well, i imagine thats related to the cracked sleeve. Could that much oil slip by that gap that quick?4.325 or so is the average cylinder diameter. We're in this far so we will be doing an in-frame rebuild and getting the neighbor to bring the sleeve tool over to help me out with that critical part of the build. Hoping he'll hang out for most of it to check my work.

I suppose I'm just looking for your thoughts on what could cause so much blowby if not cracked rings or really excessive cylinder wear. Something past the standard or obvious. I'd just hate to go through with the overhaul and be right where we started because my lack of years and experience caused me to miss something. The rings are definitely worn down as well. Ring end gaps way out of spec. I have pictures of all if you'd like them. I'll attach one with it hooked up in the field. It's a handsome machine.
As Rustred indicates, it will be fine. I assume you will have the head serviced and made correct. (make sure the valve seats and valves are not recessed out of specification) Jim
 
As said once new parts are in it will be fine. Good horse for 12 row cultivator. 2nd high for cultivating seems fast .You must be very good at following the row. Best I ever did was 4th with the H on 4 rows. Still would get a short piece of the row once in a while. Yes I know how fast 2nd high is with my 856and 806 or the 1466. Don't see many of those old front mount cultivators anymore. Almost a necessity for hilly ground so you can keep the tractor and cultivator on the row,without running on the rows in side hills. Easier to see what is happening too.
 
Thanks folks. Yes we will be having the head serviced, and it will be getting a new turbo. A lot of play in the turbo bearings and there was a decent amount of oil in the intake side. Not pooling anywhere but a real thick film. As far as I can tell it had the original Schwitzer 3LD-229 on it. Turbo passing any oil makes me real nervous. Never had a runaway and hopefully never do!

As said once new parts are in it will be fine. Good horse for 12 row cultivator. 2nd high for cultivating seems fast .You must be very good at following the row. Best I ever did was 4th with the H on 4 rows. Still would get a short piece of the row once in a while. Yes I know how fast 2nd high is with my 856and 806 or the 1466. Don't see many of those old front mount cultivators anymore. Almost a necessity for hilly ground so you can keep the tractor and cultivator on the row,without running on the rows in side hills. Easier to see what is happening too.
I definitely take out some corn on that last high speed pass! Not a whole lot but I've got plenty improving to do yet. It hills up soil in row real nice at those speeds and really buries any grass coming up. Makes for a rough ride at harvest time but it's worth it. It's our first year running it on hills we got some new acres in corn this year. It does great on a slope.
 
Yup those 3pt cultivators might be alright on flat ground, but on the hills those fronts really shine for following the row and not tearing out the crop. Most I ever used was an 8 row on flat ground in Sugar beets a few times. Always looking back sucked versus being able to glance down in front on our H with a 4 row front mount. A bit more work to get on with a front mount and needs more room in the shed if they are kept in but easier on the driver .
 

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