14t capacity

[hoosierhog]

how many bales can one make in a good day with a 14t or 24t john deere balers?

 

[shaun wallace]

several things would determine bales a day. windrow size, when started and how late stayed. breakdowns, just a guess 12-1500.

 

[hoosierhog]

i ask cause a couple of friends were telling a young guy down the road that he would be lucky to get 5 acres a day baled. and that he needed to go to new holland 3 sereie 311, 315 to get his 8 acres done. i thought that was hog wash but wasn't going to start a debate. I told the new guy later that a 14t or 24t would work just fine. but i really have very little experience with john deere square balers.

 

[farmerwithmutt]

Depends on how much help you got.i have a 14t it's a good baler but you got to remember what it was built for 7 foot cutting bars tractors at lower horse power . I think that the best way for capacity on a 14t is hours worked mine works fine unless you try and push it or to big of a pile . I prefer new holland we have ran them up to 9 miles an hour (guy on wagon was busy) and there knots seem to have extra string on them mine well pull the knot apart . The only reason I got it was that the guy thought it only good for scrap or part's it wouldn't tie for him all that was wrong was the bolt holding the needle was loose

 

[D beatty]

Somebody is giving that young guy a line of bull. We had a JD 14T back in late 60's that we pulled with a Farmall M. As long as they could keep empty wagon coming I could bale 750 to 900 bales in an afternoon ( noon till 6). My wife drove and I loaded. The 14 T was a nice baler and we baled about a 65 or 70 lb. bale of hay and straw was about a 35 lb. bale. With that size bale my wife,mother, and sister could handle them.

 

[Randy Shoe]

I don't believe the 14T baler would be my choice of baler if it was given to me. Not a lot of capacity compared to other balers made during the same time frame.

 

[Shetland Sheepdog]

If the baler is in good shape, and not prone to breakdown, I would think you could average 150-200 bales an hour!
JMHO, Dave

 

[draftx]

If you have either one. The best thing you can do is to but the super sweep type of pickup teeth on it. They are bent a little and do a better job of lifting the hay into the pickup.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Back in the late 60's and early 70's when we were baling square bales we had a 24T and we used to shoot for 1000 bales a day to bale on the wagons and put in a barn,about the most we did was around 1700 bales in one day.When you handle square bales its not the baler that holds you up its the amount of work after you bale.Personally I'd much rather have a 24T than a similar New Holland.

 

[hd6gtom]

also depends on what you have pulling it. 40hp is a good size, live power is a good option.

 

[tim52160]

I had a 14T anbd sold it when we moved but have a 24 T lined up from a late friends line of equipment.Mine would sometimes skip a bale or two per hundredbut would go right back to tying. The 24 T has some improvements and the newer design is easier to work on .But if i could find my old 14T at the price i sold it for wouldnt hesitate to take it back. Pulled it with a wd allis or D17.From all the horror stories i''ve heard about new holland I'm leary of the misshapened bales.

 

[FarmerBrad]

Here's some first hand numbers for you. I do about 8,000 bales a year with my 14t. I run it with an Oliver 77 diesel or a JD 4240. The 4240 is overkill but the A/C cab is what makes it worth it. The 14t has only about 60 stokes per minute on the plunger at 540 rpm, so its far from a high capacity baler. On a good day I can do about 150 bales per hour, maybe 120 bales per hour on average. I double each windrow so there's 18ft of hay going into the baler.

When I first got the 14t I have now, it had the straight spike hay compressors. I robbed some of the curved (more modern ones) off of a 24t and it made a huge difference in the amount of hay that the pickup head was able to take it and there was a lot less hay left on the ground especially with 2nd cutting.

The biggest thing that slows me down baling is when a shear pin breaks. Seems to happen more when I use the 4240.

But on a good day when everything works out, I can bale 600-700 bales using flat wagons. I just picked up a NH 1034 bale wagon and quarter turn chute. Hopefully that will decrease my labor/ increase production.

 

[RN]

14T was designed for a JD B to bale with as a minimum- so 'small capacity' is matched with 'small tractor'. Use a JD A or 60 and baler keeps up fine and you can have a bigger wagon in back with 2 teenagers stacking. A advantage to the JD 14T and 24T was the designers concern with power pulse from the 2 banger tractors and the solution used was a heavier flywheel to smooth things out for pickup, plunger, tieing and the occasional big wad. Use a Farmall H and drop on ground and 14T does good job also- so 30 hp is 'adequate' while 40 hp is 'good/better'. a 3 family baling crew with 2 or 3 teenage boys from each family plus a couple female drivers can bale and stack a lot of bales using a 14T, couple shuttle tractors and another old tractor on the barn elevator. JD 60, Farmall H, JD B and old F20 can get fair amount done- add in the M at times and another greeny plus couple cousins and crew can do a 20 acre field fairly quick stacking 60 odd bales in standard flatbed, 80 on the big ones. NH baler had some minor issues at times- could handle bigger rows at faster speeds, make a bigger bale if needed- but failed knots and bogged feed were more time consuming than the occasional 14T shear pin breaking and it needed the 560 M to pull it. 2 people with 14T and 350D could get small field done reasonable- helps to have 4 racks available and no long travel from field to barn. Bale 4 racks full late morning to noon, shuttle them to barn to stack and then late lunch. Back to field for another 4 racks full and and maybe put in barn or leave for morning. RN

 

[DR. EVIL]

Wow! That's a lot of people and equipment to bale. We used two tractors, normally a WD-45 or D-17, and Dad's M, a 55-t baler, two racks and two men and a small boy to bale. And we got 1000-1200 bales off 20 acres in a good afternoon. And if your familiar with IH balers, the 55-T made a really big bale. 72 bales on a 16 ft rack stacked 4 high.

 

[Bill VA]

IMHO - the 14T is a good baler. The one I had was very heavy built, but the cast knotter frame had busted along the way, but was rebrazed. I seem to have read that while the 24T was a better baler, maybe higher capacity, it was not as heavy built as the 14T. Take all that heavy built gibberish with a grain salt - but I can tell you this, my 14T had a big square tube for an axle. The wagon hitch came off it vs the bale chamber. IMHO - that was one of the strongest wagon hitches of the day, certainly stronger than my NH68. I stacked behind a 24T and it spit out bricks. Wonderful machine. I worked with a German Baptist (I think similar to an Amish in lifestyle) and his family baled with a 14T. His only comment that I can recall was breaking shear pins - but I imagine they ran the baler pretty hard.

I believe the 14T is about a 60 stroke per minute machine. My NH68 is 63-65 SPM per the manual. If you got 12 flakes to a bale, that would be 5 bales a minute or 300 bales an hour - if there were continuous windrows, no slowing for turns, etc. more likely 3 bales per minute average, which is 180 per hour and I believe is a reasonable number on the high side of capacity for that baler if all is working right.

There are several youtube videos of some ratty, old, abused and worn 14T balers and in spite of how they look, they are spitting out some brick shaped bales.

Good luck,
Bill

 

[old]

JD-B handle a 14T heck no unless maybe it is a late model B. My 1935 JD-B would not come close to pulling any of the 14Ts I have owned and I have had at least 3 or them. Shoot the 14T I had would make you feel like you where on a rocking horse when I pulled it with my Ford 841 and that is a heck of a lot more tractor then the JD-B is

 

[Tx Jim]

Yrs back I baled hay with my JD BO & 214WS just to see if it could handle it. My BO didn't set any records but it got the hay baled.

 

[old]

Ya but I bet your BO was not an unstyled BO like my 1935 is. The later Bs where a lot higher HP then the unstyled ones where

 

[RodinNS]

14t will probably do 150-200 bph so you do the math on your length of day. 24t would probably do 200-300 per hour. Those numbers reflect a good solid 55+ pound bale. If you want to lighten the bales up you will push more 'bales' through it but no more hay.
If you're only baling 10 ac of hay it will get along just fine so long as the baler is in good working order. If you're baling 50 ac I'd be somewhat uneasy with relying on something of that advanced age.

Rod

 

[rankrank1]

I believe the JD owner's manual stated the John Deere 40 tractor as the minimum tractor hp requirement for operating the 14T baler.

Yes a 14T is an old low capacity baler designed to operate with small tractor horsepower. That said it easily has enough capacity to handle the 5 to 8 acres from the Original Post and do it with ease. Your friends neighbor's claims are absurd.

 

[tomstractorsandtoys]

We have a 24T with a 30 bale thrower and use 16 ft bale wagons. 7-800 bales is an easy day and a few times in heavy hay we baled 1000-1200. This working from noon to about six. The only time my baler misses a bale is when changing balls of twine and I can not remember the last time I put a shear pin in. We bale with a 2510 or 3020 and sometimes the 4020. Tom

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 17:06:39 04/29/15) Ya but I bet your BO was not an unstyled BO like my 1935 is. The later Bs where a lot higher HP then the unstyled ones where

JD BO's were all unstyled & mine is a '45. I baled Johnsongrass hay but since it was way back in the 70's all else I can remember is the BO & 214 got the hay baled.

 

[old]

Sorry but ALL the unstlyed JD tractor where ALL built before 1939. 1938 was the last year of the unstyled tractor and in 1939 they made the newer higher HP styled tractors. That I know 1000% sure. Unstlyed had the open steer gear and the styled has the covered steer assembly. Note the picture of my 1935 JD-B unstyled notice the open steering gear

 

[Tx Jim]

(reply to post at 10:13:49 04/30/15)

Sorry old but you're wrong as JD BO's were built from '36-'47 and every one of them were unstyled!!

 

[old]

In this case your comparing apples to oranges since the BR and BO are a whole lot different tractor then the plain Jane B styled or unstyled. And while your BO may be able to pull a 14T I know the unstyled Bs sure as heck will not run one

 

[RN]

Grandfathers B was a late 1930s- maybe styled? It was used with the 14T to bale on ground, pickup bales later, no pulling a rack behind. 14T could be used slowly, effectively with a B and the heavy flywheel was a help with the minimal powered tractors- give them a minute to get flywheel up to speed and the extra rotating mass would handle intermittent high loads. A JD 60 or Farmall M with extra power did much better, extra power from PTO would shove the bale and pickup a damp wad much better- but they were still within design parameters of the 14T. 2 swaths turn together instead of 3 worked good and flat land in Iowa instead of hills helped. RN

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 11:51:04 04/30/15) In this case your comparing apples to oranges since the BR and BO are a whole lot different tractor then the plain Jane B styled or unstyled. And while your BO may be able to pull a 14T I know the unstyled Bs sure as heck will not run one

old
I'm not comparing ANYTHING all I originally stated was I had baled hay with a JD 214 powered by my JD BO & YOU stated my BO wasn't unstyled and your '35 wouldn't pull a sq baler. So stop stating I'm comparing apples to oranges. My BO has a 175 CID engine so you do your own comparing. :wink:
Have a good day,Jim

PS: You weren't in attendance the day I baled hay with my BO so you don't have a CLUE if my BO will pull a sq baler.

 

[old]

Well the unstyled Bs where made from 1935-1938 and in 39 they came out with the styled which had a bit more weight and HP then the earlier ones. I know here in Missouri where I live my B could pull the 14T but not run it and pull it at the same time just not enough HP

 

[old]

Do me a favor and I will do the same for you. NEVER answer one of my post again since all you ever want to do is argue with me and I have had enough of this bull. I have never attack you in any way till you attacked first. So please leave me alone.

 

[Tx Jim]

Rich
I merely replied to topic right after you but I was not responding to your post. Then you stated my '45 BO couldn't be UNSTYLED which it is. I could care less if you think I sq baled hay with it or not. I did sq bale with it but set no speed records.

This forum is open to all members that ""abide by it's rules"" so therefore I will respond to any post I choose BUT you can certainly not respond to my posts if you so choose.:wink:
Jim

 

[bg/mo]

Very well spoken jim,,,

 

[D beatty]

Guys saying what will and what won't pull baler. We pulled the 14-T baler several times with a Farmall B. It was a 4 acre flat field and single light windrows and we dropped the bales on the ground. Pulled in low gear full throttle that large flywheel on baler helps a lot.

 

[ss55]

Back in their day a PTO powered 14T in good condition would make 150 to 200 bales per hour in good hay or straw and a tractor with enough horsepower (50+ HP).

Keep in mind 14T was a budget/entry level baler sold 50 to 60 years ago. By today's standards it is very small capacity. The plunger only makes 60 stokes per minute, the pickup is narrow with wide teeth spacing and the pickup speed is maybe 3 1/2 MPH maximum.

 

[farmingfireman]

We have been running a 14T since the mid 60's. I would agree that about 150 bales per hour is a good number. Have run the baler with a 49 JD "B", several different "A's" a JD "70", Allis WD, Oliver 1650 and JD 3010. The 1650 worked the best because of the Over-Under HydraulShift. Ground speed could be changed easily if the windrow got heavier. The 14T seems to be very picky about the evenness of the windrow. This may be true of other machines as well but since this is the only baler I have ever operated, this only my opinion.
It has been a great and reliable machine for our small operation for 50+ years. Put about 1200 bales per year through it.