211B - Need Hydraulic Outlet

[Jason Edwards]

I am looking into rent a no-till grain drill to plant for fall hunting season. The grain drill requires a hydraulic hook up. My 211B does not have an outlet at the rear (or the front, for that matter)for these hook ups.

Has anyone attempted to add hydraulic outlets to a 211B? What parts are required? What level of difficulty?

Also, I"m interested in a service manual for the 211B. Does any one have one in pdf that is willing to share? I have a pdf owner"s manual I am willing to share.

I"ve scoured this forum (and others) to gather info on this, but haven"t found everything I need.

Any info will be great appreciated!

 

[Tim in New York]

It looks like Jensales has several manuals on the 200B models. Service manual is $36. Go to their website and download the PDF of their catalog and look under Case/IH. I could not find the 200B in their on-line catalog.

Tim

http://www.external_link/images/pdfCatalogs/agcatalog.pdf


210B Gas, Wheel, Ag, Util..SVC .............................Use IT-S-C201......$35.95
210B (CA-P-200)..PTS ....................................................122 PGS ......$37.99
210B Wheel (CA-O-200B SER)...OPT.............................120 PGS ......$37.99
211B Gas, Wheel, Ag, Util..SVC .............................Use IT-S-C201......$35.95
211B (CA-P-200)..PTS ....................................................122 PGS ......$37.99
211B Wheel (CA-O-200B SER)...OPT..............................120 PGS ......$37.99

 

[BarryfromIA]

Tim does your 211b have Eagle Hitch? If it does then you can add a valve to that line or just use a hydraulic coupling set to hook up to what ever you want to provide pressure to. It is possible to not have a hydraulic system so you may need a manual to get started.

 

[Jason Edwards]

Barry, My 211b does have an eagle hitch system, however it has been modified. The eagle hitch (hooks) have been cut off where they attach to the implement. The "hooks" have been replaced by welding the standard "eyelets" found on most tractors. This was done by the previous owner.

That said, I don"t beleive that this modification should affect what I am trying to do. What are your thoughts?

The only hydraulic line that is visiable (external) is a hard line from the pump to the top of the housing, just under the front of the seat. I"m not sure if this line is a return or supply, or if the system is single acting (with only one line that supplies and returns). I really think I need a service manual move forward with this.

 

[Jason Edwards]

Tim, I couldn't find anything listed for the 211b on the IH/Case website either.

I was hoping to aquire the service manual without forking over the $36 for it. That was why I asked if anybody had a copy (pdf file) that they were willing to share (email it to me). I'm cheap that way...

 

[Joe Young]

Jason

If your 211B has an Eagle hitch it has a hydraulic pump and single valve. That valve is under the fuel tank and is connected to the lever on the right side of the seat via a steel rod and clevis linkage.

A second valve and manifold can be stacked on top of the valve that operates the eagle hitch. You will also need a second lever and the linkage from the lever to the valve. Finally you will need hoses that run from the valve back to the rear of the tractor along the torque tube and transmission.

I don't have my parts manuals close, but I would assume the parts you need would be consistent with a 300 round nose, 200B, 300B, 400B and the very early 430s and 530s. There are several good salvage yards that can help guide you to the right parts.

I added remote hydraulics to my 430 by collecting parts from several salvage yards. When i bought the tractor it only had a draft-o-matic 3-point hitch with no remotes. When looking for those parts, I found a number of parts for the eagle hitch models, but the parts (particularly the levers) for the later tractors seemed to be harder to find.... In other words I think you should be able to find the parts you need for our application. - Joe

 

[BarryfromIA]

The line you are talking about is the pressure line to the Eagle Hitch from the one way valve on top of the torque tube. On my 311b that line is 3/8ths pipe thread on each end. You can start with pipe fittings and hydraulic hose and make connections to a splitter valve or just use hydraulic couplings to hook up the Eagle Hitch or the drill cylinder. If the drill is a three point hook up then you may want to find parts to add a stack valve for a remote. I have seen them stacked to run 4 remote cylinders on a 630.

 

[mEl]

Some others on here can check me on this but the Eagle hitch arm valve is single acting, However if you wanted to use that valve as a double acting you can remove the plug located inside the interlock valve port (should be a allen plug inside the port) and by doing so convert it to double acting and divert the other line to a coupler. As the other gents correctly stated the valves can be stacked also. Question? did they also put swivel balls on the inner ends of the arms that they modified? If the arms do not swivel at the inner ends seems to me that the mod is of questionable value since Cases plows are built with a sliding mast and third point to accomodate the ridgid arms concept. The whole outfit fights itself trying to turn to follow contours with a ridgid arm and a ridgid plow, somethings gotta give so to speak. Just wondering why someone would modify it in that manner, if the arms do not swivel at the tractor end there must be a lot of play in the inner pins to even allow the arms to move enough to hook up to draft control style pins. mEl

 

[Jason Edwards]

Joe, this is good news!! The Eagle hitch system you described above is exactly what is on my tractor.

However, as I recall, there isn"t a whole lot of room between the top of the pump and the fuel tank. Guess I would need to locate the valve and manifold to make sure it will fit. I will use the model numbers above to look on the IH/Case website to see if I can start digging up some PNs.

Any advice on the types of fittings and hoses you used?

 

[Jason Edwards]

mEl, your interlock valve port plug option is intresting. This seems less intrusive than stacking another manifold on top.

I assume you would still activate the system using the lever on the right side of the seat (the same lever for the hitch)? Would this simply be a supply line for drill and the drill should have it's own set of controls?

Answer to question: Yes, there are swivel balls in the "eyelets" at the end of the lifting hitch arm. I've used the existing set up for about 10 years now with a plow, disc, and bush hog (mower, for you yanks..)and have no problems from the modifications. Mainly, their just ugly.

 

[Jason Edwards]

This might be all for nothing!! Just spoke to the co-op where I plan on renting the grain drill. They have a 7' Great Plains. They said my tractor (25 hp) won't work it.

Thoughts?

 

[Joe (Wa)]

Interlock 3rd port is plugged for DA function, plug is removed for SA function.

Open 3rd port is used to recirc the pump during the SA return cycle (lowering), otherwise the pump is in full relief during that cycle. There will be no down pressure for DA function, pump will simply recirculate back to the sump.

Joe

 

[hunit]

can ya just use a broadcast seeder and drag it in or disc....

 

[mEl]

Joe, thanks for setting the record straight on the port plug. It has been many years since these tractors went in and out of the shop on a regular basis. The basic fact remains the same, the system can be made DA. Thanks again. mEl

 

[Joe (Wa)]

mEL, your slip was the equivalent to a typo, you know better, I know that and should have noted it in my response.

Joe

 

[mEl]

(reply to post at 20:02:30 08/20/10)

No Joe, I legitamatly did not know with 100% certainty, that is why I started my post with" others may check me on this". I was hoping for clarification if i was wrong. You give me to much credit on this. I am just as human as anyone else and have had to stand corrected at times. I do not mind that at all, I am comfortable in my skin, as we are all here to serve the Case community and it is imperative that the things we post are accurate because the things we post will be put into action by others who have less experience than we. I am thankful for the abilities that God has given me and the hours of schooling at Racine, Atlanta, New Holland and other places that I have even forgotten. Over the years I have developed friendships with many from Case's support group of service reps and have even had instances where I have been consulted by them on service related problems. I have developed fixes in our shop that I reported to Case and two in particular that went on to become the subject of nationwide service bulletins from Case for oil eruption on 580 C powershuttles, and the other the removal of the injection pumps on 70 series tractors to be recalibrated to make them competetive in the field, an interesting story and humorous. No matter what others may think, I am a stickler for correct info being given on this forum and genuinely appreciate it when others correct or add further clarification to info that I put up. If I have offended anyone it was not my intention to do so, just to get the right stuff out there so our readers have a better understanding of their concerns. The areas that I know well I will help all I can, there are areas that are beyond my expertise and in those areas I will remain silent except maybe a question for my own learning. I am near 66 yrs old and it is my intention not to take to the grave any info I can impart to others. Joe, the pictures you put up pointing to items in question does the forum proud, you have a real understanding and ability to clarify by both the written word and pictures, thank you.


I did really appreciate ACG's post on his beautiful stable of tractors, I envy his 430 Turbo, and have not only the tractor (530 triple range) that blows water in its present condition, a spare 188 diesel, 207 Sleeves and pistons, A injection pump rebuilt and set up to 207 turbo specs but no turbo stuff (yet), and would like to chat with him about his alternative energy projects. He seems like a really progressive thinker and I have some questions that I am sure that he could answer, maybe has even experimented with himself. mEl

 

[Jason Edwards]

Hunit, Of course we can do that. That is the method we have been using.

But, why do this: Bush hog, wait for the grass to die, disc, seed, disc again.

When we can do this: bush hog, seed with grain drill. Done.