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William Draper

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Which would be the best route to do, with a 2950/55 or a 4040/4050?
The 2950/55 series is easier to find but it is a lighter tractor with a smaller engine. I have never driven one but imagine you have to shift gears a lot to keep the RPM's up under heavy loads. Does the 2950/55 MFW assist give a lot of problems?

On the flip side my guess is the 4040/4050 uses more fuel. I'm willing to give up a little fuel consumption to avoid shifting gears all the time as is normal with a smaller engine.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Bill.
 
(quoted from post at 08:12:29 02/17/11) Which would be the best route to do, with a 2950/55 or a 4040/4050?
The 2950/55 series is easier to find but it is a lighter tractor with a smaller engine. I have never driven one but imagine you have to shift gears a lot to keep the RPM's up under heavy loads. Does the 2950/55 MFW assist give a lot of problems?

On the flip side my guess is the 4040/4050 uses more fuel. I'm willing to give up a little fuel consumption to avoid shifting gears all the time as is normal with a smaller engine.

Thoughts?

Thanks,


2950/55s are great little tractors. They have plenty of power and a good transmission with hi/low. The exception is that a tractor that hasnt been taken care of or had hyd oil changed will wear out the hi/low which can be pricey to repair ($3000-$5000) We had a 50 and 55. Would pull 5btm 16"s all day. The only 4x4 problem is the engagement clutch, which like the hi/low clutch pack is only an issue if tractor isnt taken care of. As for 4040/4050 I always thought they were under powered for there size. Seemed like u were always downshifting. However i dont have as much seat time in them as i did a 29. Just my two cents.

Bill.
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When I bought my 4040 new,the dealer told me flat out that I'd like the 4040 better than the 2940. Just a lot nicer operator platform to begin with. Tilt/telescope steering,all that. Built to be a bigger tractor,plain and simple.
 
You won't be shifting gears any more with one tractor than the other.
If the 4040 is 2WD and the 2950 M4WD. Take the 2950.
Doing and loader or any high flow hydraulic work?
 
Even though I prefer the 40 series the MFWD plus better hydraulics make it an easy choice.My neighbor has a 2940 that has been in the feedlot all of its life with loader and probably has 20,000 hrs and has had 0 problems with MFWD and it is tough conditions been tipped over on silage pile and I think it has been overhauled once at 13,000 hours.
 
If you can see your way clear I would go the 4050 with 466 engine and 15 speed powershift. I know a couple people that have that and the neighbor has a 4055. Fuel consumption is not as bad as you may believe but the 295X will probably be better on that front. I had a good opportunity recently to buy a project 4050 with self-leveling loader but needed to have money ready for another matter so I let it go. The work needed on it would cost 3500 plus my time. Good opportunities seem to come at an inopportune times for me.
 
(quoted from post at 12:13:02 02/17/11) If you can see your way clear I would go the 4050 with 466 engine and 15 speed powershift.
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Not all 4050's have a 466 cid,some had a 359 cid. But I agree that I'd choose a Waterloo over a Mannheim 29XX any day. The hyd's are far superior plus it will have a wet clutch if it's a QRT!!!!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 11:29:04 02/17/11) You won't be shifting gears any more with one tractor than the other.
If the 4040 is 2WD and the 2950 M4WD. Take the 2950.
Doing and loader or any high flow hydraulic work?
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buickanddeere
Do you have any personal experience such owner/operator of a JD Waterloo 50 or 55 series rowcrop tractor ?????
I'll bet not.

2950 Weight:10100 to 11045 pounds PTO (claimed):85 hp [63.4 kW]
4050 Weight:11098 to 12720 pounds PTO (claimed):100 hp [74.6 kW]
 
(quoted from post at 11:17:35 02/17/11)

2940 is NOT a 2950/55
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No but it's closer than a 4050. 2950/50 had a few upgrades over a 2940 but not much difference in them. The 29XX's all have the dry clutch with the hard to bleed master cylinder. Then there's those pesky hyd pto & Hi-Lo supply tubes that have been known to crack and give hyd problems.
 
I was there the day they unloaded Dad's 4050 M4WD off the truck.
I also found the intake manifold leak after doing an oil analysis. The factory missed installing the pipe plug when the ether option wasn't ordered.
Cost the factory a complete overhaul.
It's liquid ballasted fore and aft. Ploughing the clay with 4X18 semi mount will make it spin out.
Works good on the Lucknow snowblower with the slow reverse the 15 speed provides.
AC has quit working. Several quick patches by local amature hvac tinkerers havn't helped.
Just put a fresh alternator on it.
One of these days when the starter goes it's getting a higher cranking power unit for winter starts. In case it has to be started without enough time to pre-heat.
 
(quoted from post at 18:13:02 02/17/11) If you can see your way clear I would go the 4050 with 466 engine and 15 speed powershift. I know a couple people that have that and the neighbor has a 4055. Fuel consumption is not as bad as you may believe but the 295X will probably be better on that front. I had a good opportunity recently to buy a project 4050 with self-leveling loader but needed to have money ready for another matter so I let it go. The work needed on it would cost 3500 plus my time. Good opportunities seem to come at an inopportune times for me.
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Sure would of been nice to fix it up and make a little $$$. If the 4050 ran well, looked decent, are pretty easy to sell in my neck of the woods.
 
(quoted from post at 14:13:00 02/17/11)It's liquid ballasted fore and aft. Ploughing the clay with 4X18 semi mount will make it spin out.
AC has quit working. Several quick patches by local amature hvac tinkerers havn't helped.
Just put a fresh alternator on it.
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Well we established you've been around 1(one) JD Waterloo Rowcrop tractor that the AC and Alt. quit. You'd love trying to keep an AC working in 100 degree temp on a Mannheim tractor with a SGB. There's a 2350 down the road from me that the AC hasn't worked correctly since it went out of warranty.

Are you trying to insinuate that a 2950/2955 will pull the 4X18 plow in you clay without spinning out????

BTW your spell check needs repair.
 
You spelled "you" instead of "your".
A M4WD will pull loads on clay hills and in snow
that will stop a 2WD 4050.
Which is a better tractor depends on options,
condition, price application etc. That said an
otherwise "equal" 4050 is the hands down better
tractor than the 2950.
Early 3020 diesel, 4000, 4230 besides the 4050.
 
I didn't know they ever put a 359 in a 4050. Guess that explains what I saw last spring. I was at the fertilizer plant and a 4050 pulled on to the scales with the darndest looking motor I'd ever seen in one. You could have driven a truck between the top of the motor and the hood. Didn't look a THING like the 404 that was in my 4040.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:00 02/17/11) You spelled "you" instead of "your".A M4WD will pull loads on clay hills and in snow that will stop a 2WD 4050.
Which is a better tractor depends on options,
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Speaking of spell check I'll bet you a $100 that "your" spell check won't detect "you" or "your" in any sentence as as a misspelled word !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now to your fathers 4050 MFWD how did you you manage to change the subject to a 2WD other you have to try and change the subject.

You were the one comparing a 2955 to a Waterloo stating one wouldn't have to shift trans any more often.

The options do enter in to a purchase but all things equal a 4050 is a better choice than a 2950/2955.

Also the 2950/2955 are weak enough that a loader mounting frame must go all the way to rear axle to keep from cracking clutch housing which is not necessary on a Waterloo model.
 
Are you saying that a 4WD 2950 in good condition
and for a discounted price? Is of less value than a
beaten 2WD 4050 for a high price?
 
(quoted from post at 20:27:01 02/17/11) Are you saying that a 4WD 2950 in good condition
and for a discounted price? Is of less value than a
beaten 2WD 4050 for a high price?
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NO!!!!!!!! YOU are trying to avoid answering this QUESTION I asked you!!!!!
"""""[[[Are you trying to insinuate that a 2950/2955 will pull the 4X18 plow in you clay without spinning out???? ]]]"""""

READ MY STATEMENT and I'll quote me. Be sure to read this part of the sentence "ALL THINGS EQUAL" All things equal doesn't imply beat up vs pristine nor 2WD vs 4WD

[[[[the options do enter in to a purchase but all things equal a 4050 is a better choice than a 2950/2955.]]]
 
(quoted from post at 12:08:53 02/18/11) jim. Could you clarify and elaborate on some of those facts please?
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Keep the wood on the fire for your smoke screen. I see no explanation is required to a person that must understand the French language much better than the English language.

My original statement that "all things being equal about both model tractors(4050 vs 2950/2955)"doesn't need or warrant an EXPLANATION OR CLARIFICATION if you are knowledgeable of JOHN DEERE tractors.

ENUF SAID and I know you won't answer my question which was """"""""Are you trying to insinuate that a 2950/2955 will pull the 4X18 plow in you clay without spinning out???? """"""""" because you'd rather try and change the SUBJECT.

Have a nice day.
 
(quoted from post at 18:06:18 02/18/11) Please explain the how and why of your conclusion.
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Your track record on answering a direct question. You're almost as good as the American Indians at producing SMOKE SIGNALS. What's wrong can't answer the question or know you'll be WRONG? Happy Trails & goodnight.
 
William Looks like you got the opinion of the old woman, A 4050 would be my choice properly weighted it should do about anything you need. Every body works equipment different, You could drive a radius of 50-100 miles around your area and see that, Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Good man for quitting.
Used to be 40Creek or Crown Royal on ice. Have
cut back and diluted the mix now. Along with a bit
of food.
Too much irritation to the bile duct drinking
it straight on an empty stomach.
Is 40 Creek available down there? I assume you
can obtain Crown Royal in the well stocked stores?
Weed? I keep finding the stuff planted along the
back of my and the neighbour's place. A trip over
it with the bush hog fixes that problem.
 
(quoted from post at 00:32:25 02/18/11) I didn't know they ever put a 359 in a 4050. Guess that explains what I saw last spring. I was at the fertilizer plant and a 4050 pulled on to the scales with the darndest looking motor I'd ever seen in one. You could have driven a truck between the top of the motor and the hood. Didn't look a THING like the 404 that was in my 4040.
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I have only seen one and we owned it. Nice little motor and decent on fuel. My father called it a "little motor in a big framed tractor". Would be a good tractor if you did mostly loader type work.

When hogging the 466 Turbo is a beast and I like the extra low end power it has when compared to the 359T.
 
(quoted from post at 14:20:03 02/19/11) Good man for quitting. Is 40 Creek available down there? I assume you
can obtain Crown Royal in the well stocked stores? Weed?
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I wouldn't know as I stopped drinking hard liquor over 25 yrs ago.

Well now that you've succeeded in changing the subject from tractors to liquor & weed so you can try and avoid my question.

I'll ask the question again!!!!!!!!!!!

"In your statement of comparing a 2940/50 to a 4050 the part that your Dad's 4050 MFWD would spin out pulling a 4X18 MB plow were you trying to insinuate that a 2940/50 MFWD would pull same plow in same soil?"
 
(quoted from post at 16:32:03 02/20/11) The question was.........?
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Is the 40Creek or Crown Royal diluted on ice preventing you from rereading/comprehending your original incorrect statement??

Did you're Dad really buy a 4050 MFWD that you alleged would spin out pulling a 4X18 MB plow or you just stating that to show to have some Waterloo tractor experience? Are frt & rear weights not available in Canada????????
 
It's already over ballasted. If it rains on the
clay during ploughing. It's better to just go plough
another flatter field or park the tractor for a day.
 
(quoted from post at 13:21:02 02/21/11) It's already over ballasted. If it rains on the
clay during ploughing. It's better to just go plough
another flatter field or park the tractor for a day.
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On so you're admitting that you left out of the part about "rained on clay" in your first statement that the 4050 MFWD would spin out pulling a 4X18 plow!!!!!!!
 
During the long cold boring winter. In order to keep the lively witty debate going with you. All the info can't be exchanged at once and wrap the conversation up too fast.
How about you taking the Amtrack up to the NY Expo this summer as you are afraid of flying?
 
(quoted from post at 08:33:13 02/22/11)
How about you taking the Amtrack up to the NY Expo this summer as you are afraid of flying?
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Hold it. That's a misunderstood or misquoted statement of mine by YOU!!!!!!!!!!
I never stated I was afraid to fly I stated I chose not to fly anymore!!!!!! Very similar to the statement Tom Selleck stated about a hand gun in the movie Quigley Down Under.

So you're admitting that you left the part out about the "WET SLICK CLAY" of your first statement on purpose !!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:40 02/22/11) So when you look in the mirror. You see Tom Selleck or Quigley ?
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Not exactly as I don't have a Mustache nor a rifle that will hit an object close to that distance but I can hit a Bulls eye with a 44 Mag handgun and a 12 gauge with OO buck. Also have a woman with a temperament similar to Crazy Cora but that wouldn't mean a kitchen remodeling would stand in the way of a new tractor purchase. Will that qualify me to star in a Quigley sequal?
 
The women used to tell me I looked a little like Tom Selleck with my moustache. So you might do as my side kick in the sequel.
I would have to do most of the talking. The average North American can't understand a Texan when they get wound up and going with that funny accent.
 
(quoted from post at 15:19:28 02/22/11) The average North American can't understand a Texan when they get wound up and going with that funny accent.
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Yankees and Canadians are hard to understand down here in Texas. BTW what a Canadian thinks is an average North American may not be what a Southerner thinks is an average NA.

You've certainly managed to twist the subject along way from where this thread started about a 2950 vs 4050.

Go ahead and make the last comment. I'm done with it. Ding-Ding
 
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