2N Cannot get the starter back in tractor?

[JEK1]

I am working on a late 2N 6 Volt Ford tractor for a fellow. He was having intermittent starting problems. I found many problems and am solving them. One of the things I found trouble some was the starter brushes looked short. I did the brush replacement, put the starter back together. I did not remove the Bendix. Now I am trying to put the starter back into the tractor and after numerous tries, I just cannot get the starter assembled into the tractor.

I have heard of this problem but have never encountered not being able to get the starter back into the tractor.

With the starter on the bench, with measurements, it looks like the Bendix gear is engaged, where I don't think it should be. Do I have the Bendix out of sequence?

I have bench activated the starter to see if the Bendix resets. No change.

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[Bruce (VA)]

See tip # 52
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[grhuck]

(quoted from post at 11:01:15 09/16/19) I am working on a late 2N 6 Volt Ford tractor for a fellow. He was having intermittent starting problems. I found many problems and am solving them. One of the things I found trouble some was the starter brushes looked short. I did the brush replacement, put the starter back together. I did not remove the Bendix. Now I am trying to put the starter back into the tractor and after numerous tries, I just cannot get the starter assembled into the tractor.

I have heard of this problem but have never encountered not being able to get the starter back into the tractor.

With the starter on the bench, with measurements, it looks like the Bendix gear is engaged, where I don't think it should be. Do I have the Bendix out of sequence?

I have bench activated the starter to see if the Bendix resets. No change.




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It does appear that your Bendix is stuck in the start position. When the tractor starts, the flywheel ring gear throws/threads the starter drive into the run position, so it's no longer engaging the ring gear teeth.

I don't remember exactly how I did it but one can disassemble the starter drive (Bendix) and return it to the run position. I remember there was a pin I had to remove. That pin was hidden and held in by something else, like a spring maybe.

Give the starter drive a good poking around on.

 

[Ed S.]

Even with all the stars aligned and an enlarged starter hole as you appear to have, you'll have to hold your tongue just right to get the starter back in. Keep in mind you'll need to tilt the starter body [i:e73a74b316]closer[/i:e73a74b316] to the engine block to angle the bendix around the flywheel teeth since it has to go past the flywheel as you install.

I made the mistake of engaging my bendix years ago when replacing the starter motor and did the bendix disassembly procedure mentioned above - it was a real bear! I'd try spinning the thing again before I'd take it apart.

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[Jim L WA]

You may have to drain some coolant and remove the petcock, then remove the bolts for the oil filter, you don't have take it off, just move it a little then try putting the starter back in.

 

[WayneIA]

Go to your bench grinder and hopefully you have a wire wheel brush on the opposite end and put the bendix spring up against the wire brush and spin the starter fast enough to throw the bendix out or into run position

 

[grizz02]

what Wayne said I have done it and it works, bench grinder wire wheel it takes a lot of rpm but it will pop back in

 

[DMartin9N-2N]

Hi, Wayne:
Will it matter which direction he spins the starter using bench wire wheel?

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

 

[GSRFord]

I remember my Dad telling me a trick to get that drive to release on our 9n when I was working on it years ago. He and my grandfather had a Ford dealership in southern Iowa, so I am sure he had done it before. He said to look at the spiral drive grooves that move the gear forward. One of them has a small pin in it that holds the drive in once it gets so far in. It is not easy to see as I remember. I think you have to turn the drive hard enough to compress the spring slightly and then you can see it in the spiral groove. He said to take a sharp lead pencil and poke it in between the pin and and the drive. It will get broken off, but that doesn't matter as it will fall out later. If it works the drive will release and turn back the other way. You might have to try it a couple of times before you succeed
. Hope this helps.

 

[WayneIA]

Yes, Starter body to the right and the drive to the left as you stand at the steel wheel brush . You need to push against the brush to the point of almost stalling the brush and still maintain maximum speed