4 cylinder 192

[Ultradog MN]

Ken has a gas 860 that we know has been put
together from other tractors or at least it
had 801 tin on it when he got it. Still does
actually.
He had the engine in for a full reman a year
or so ago and the machinist said it was a
192 as he had to fit the bigger sleeves and
pistons in it.
Ken says Ford put 192s in the industrial
models like the 19xx etc.
I didn't think so but don't follow the 4
bangers that much.
I thought the 192s were only used in power
units like irrigation putmps or generators
and never used in a tractor.
Who is correct?
Also, the machinist told Ken this engine had
a forged crank and was a very good one.
Is this correct? I think they used forged
cranks in the diesels but maybe also in the
192 gassers?
I'm just curious is all - as is Ken.
By the way, the machinist is an old school
guy and I do Not doubt him for a second.

 

[Royse]

I can't answer a single one of your questions Jerry, but
that's a nice looking tractor. Ken looks a bit bored though!

 

[showcrop]

Years ago they were talked about like they were a commonly available option. Now, however, after years of seeing no factory indication of them ever being built that way, I am of the opinion that they were subbed in when an original 172 got used up.

 

[Fordfarmer]

You're correct that the 192 was not put in tractors from the factory. 1801, 4000HD, etc. got 172's, just like the ag equivalents. AFAIK, all the Red Tigers used forged cranks, gas and diesel. They also all share the same stroke, and all gassers use the same crank.

 

[RickB]

There?s no mention of 192 cu. in. 4 cylinder engines in Ford tractor parts catalogs.

 

[WayneIA]

A 192 has sleeves? I am no machinist and have never seen a 192 engine , but am wandering if a 192 is a sleeveless 172, Would be interesting to know the casting numbers on the blocks!

 

[riveroadrat]

A parts dealer told me you have to go to the industrial side to look up parts for the 192.

 

[Greg NE]

I'm no expert by any means but to my understanding the 192's were either power units or put in things like windrowers and maybe combines. Never put in tractors from the factory. My 2 cents worth. Greg NE

 

[Dean]

Ford did not install 4 cylinder 192 engines in vintage Ford tractors.

All Ford 4 cylinder 192 engines were parent bore.

Pretty certain that all vintage Ford OHV 4 cylinder tractor engines used forged crankshafts.

Dean

 

[Dean]

Blocks are different, Wayne.

Dean

 

[Kirk-NJ]

Kenny is wrong. The only tractor that used the 192 was the jacobsen

 

[WayneIA]

Trying to get a few things straight! Ford built a special 192. It fits a 100 series tractor chassis, but didn't use it . Sold it to outside vendors. So who or where do you get parts for this engine?

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 06:19:20 05/24/18) Trying to get a few things straight! Ford built a special 192. It fits a 100 series tractor chassis, but didn't use it . Sold it to outside vendors. So who or where do you get parts for this engine?

I 'm not sure what you mean by "special". It was the same red tiger engine design that was used in the 1955-1964 hundred, '01 and thousand series, but it had a larger displacement. It was used in generators and other non-tractor uses. A local guy here that has a tree service company has two different brands of old tow behind wood chippers, one from the mid-70's and one from the early 80's and they both have the Ford 192 engine in them. The 192 industrial from a generator set will fit into any of the 1955-1965 hundred/'01/thousand series tractors. Any machine shop should be able to source parts for you if you need something for a rebuild. Some things, like the water pump are the same whether it's a 134, 172 or 192 engine, so you could get those at a New Holland dealer.

They sold the 172 as an industrial to be used in things other than tractors as well, and those had some parts different than the tractor version of the 172 (the industrials all had a fuel pump rather than using a gravity feed as the fuel tanks were not usually mounted above the engine in most applications), but it was still the same basic engine design and one of those will bolt right into a '55-'64 tractor as well.

 

[Ultradog MN]

Thanks fellas!
Always more to learn...
Fordfarmer, my bad - they were 18xx not 19xx.
Royse, Kenny is the most unphotogenic guy you will ever meet.
He's usually happy but you'd Never know by looking at a picture of him.

 

[PitCrew]

The only difference I have found between a 172 and a 192 is the bore. 4.130 for the 192. I have never seen one sleeved perhaps somewhere in its life someone did that or converted a 172 to a 192 and wanted sleeves for some reason. Every other part in a 192 is the same as a 172 (crank,rods,lifers,cam,valvetrain,and the head) The AG cams have the eccentric for the fuel pump as well. I haven't seen a forged crank in any gas engine. The diesel cranks for a 144 and a 172 are forged. I prefer the 144 crank because it doesn't have the balancer gear on it. The block # for a 192 is usually CONN6015K but I'm sure there are others. I have built 192s in 172 blocks.

 

[Royse]

"Royse, Kenny is the most unphotogenic guy you will ever meet."

I'm certainly not judging Kenny by his looks, I don't want to be
the pot calling the kettle black! I don't look good in pictures either.
But then, I don't look good in person!