4400 hydraulics

[markw7917]

I have 1966 ford 4400 loader 3 point i would like to add another valve so i could put grapple on bucket any way to do this I looked at it no ideas dont what to spend a lot of money on it

 

[Harry in Ky]

How much is "a lot of money?" I can think of at least three different ways to go for +- $500 depending on where you shop for parts.

 

[markw7917]

interested in any ideas i can make up my mind then

 

[Sean in PA]

A single spool valve with power beyond to feed the main loader valve seems like the least expensive choice to me:

This one's only $69.95:

Link to single spool dual acting cylinder on surpluscenter.com

It does say that the power beyond conversion plug is sold separately. I think this is the power beyond plug:

Link to Chief Power Beyond Plug on surpluscenter.com

The power beyond plug is a little over half of the price of the valve, but both for under $110.00 isn't bad.

 

[kneil]

Does the tractor have the original hydraulic control valve on the lift arm? I know my 4400 with the stack configuration does NOT have a factory Power Beyond option. My plan is to buy a new valve for the loader, then move the old one to the rear.

There are top lid control valves, but they are quite slow on the 4400. It'd be ok for a grapple. I've seen some on Amazon, I don't have a link.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I have 1966 ford 4400 loader 3 point i would like to add another valve so i could put grapple on bucket any way to do this I looked at it no ideas dont what to spend a lot of money on it

Just put your new valve ahead of the loader valve and use the power beyond on it to feed the loader.valve. A single spool valve and power beyond sleeve for $103 delivered.

TOH

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 11 GPM

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 11 GPM

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[kneil]

Just put your new valve ahead of the loader valve and use the power beyond on it to feed the loader.valve. A single spool valve and power beyond sleeve for $103 delivered.

TOH

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 11 GPM

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 11 GPM

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Question for you, I have a front pump on my 4400, it appears to be a 21 gpm pump, if i did this to my loader, would it hurt the overall performance of the lift and responsiveness?

 

[TheOldHokie]

Question for you, I have a front pump on my 4400, it appears to be a 21 gpm pump, if i did this to my loader, would it hurt the overall performance of the lift and responsiveness?

It wont hurt performance if properly sized. If the pump is rated at 21 GPM I would suggest a larger valve. This one would work fine. I am also assuming your loader valve is a two stick vs joystick?

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM

The Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM uses a compact design that allows for installations in tight areas

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TOH

 

[kneil]

It wont hurt performance if properly sized. If the pump is rated at 21 GPM I would suggest a larger valve. This one would work fine. I am also assuming your loader valve is a two stick vs joystick?

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM

The Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM uses a compact design that allows for installations in tight areas

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TOH

My current loader (735) has the two valves with a float function. Unless i find the exact valve and add in another portion to the stack, it'll be easier to replace the entire thing with a three valve kit, then move my existing valve down stream for a rear remote.

You may know, so i'll ask, when i upgrade my valve, should i pull my float our of the picture and close up the lines, or keep the float function and buy a valve that doesn't have the float function?

 

[TheOldHokie]

My current loader (735) has the two valves with a float function. Unless i find the exact valve and add in another portion to the stack, it'll be easier to replace the entire thing with a three valve kit, then move my existing valve down stream for a rear remote.

You may know, so i'll ask, when i upgrade my valve, should i pull my float our of the picture and close up the lines, or keep the float function and buy a valve that doesn't have the float function?

The tractor community generally things float is a worthwhile feature on rear remotes.

Now I am going to spend your money.

If replacing the loader valve I would go with this:

Hydraulic Directional Control Valve for Tractor Loader w/ Joystick, 2 Spool, 21 GPM

The Hydraulic Directional Control Valve for Tractor Loader w/ Joystick, 2 Spool, 21 GPM are used to start and stop fluid flow into hydraulic cylinders or hydraulic motors.

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and this for the third function:

Universal Hydraulic Third Function Valve Kit w/ Joystick Handle, 25 GPM

Free Shipping Universal Hydraulic Third Function Valve Kit w/ Joystick Handle, 25 GPM

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You said you did not want to spend a lot of money so here is my fallback option - the joystick valve above snd this for third functiom

Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM

The Monoblock Hydraulic Directional Control Valve, 1 Spool, 21 GPM uses a compact design that allows for installations in tight areas

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Dan

 

[kneil]

Much appreciated and thanks for the advice. I'll be saving this info for my rainy day fund.