4610 4WD Loader

Bryce Frazier

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Hi all, I've got a 4610 that I would like to put a loader on. First question, I'm concerned if the 4wd axle is safe to handle the weight/use of the loader? I know parts are hard to find for them, and I'm very leery of breaking it! All I would be using it for is 4x5 round bales, running about 700lbs.

Second question, the loader I have is a factory Ford loader off of a 4400 backhoe. Originally, the hydraulic system was powered off of a Cessna rotary pump driven off the crank (i do still have the pump). Can I tap into the tractors hydraulic system somewhere to run the loader? The loader uses the left side of the frame for the hydro tank, but I feel like if I just tied the loaders spool valves into the tractors system, I wouldn't need to use the loaders tank?

Thanks! Bryce
 

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I would use the front pump to power the loader. This will provide faster cycle times when using the loader. The tractor hydraulics would be slower, and you would either have to tap into the back outlets, or add double outlets, which would mean more money. If you tie up the back outlets you will have to be plugging and unplugging the hoses each time you want to operate a piece of equipment or run the loader.
 
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Hi all, I've got a 4610 that I would like to put a loader on. First question, I'm concerned if the 4wd axle is safe to handle the weight/use of the loader? I know parts are hard to find for them, and I'm very leery of breaking it! All I would be using it for is 4x5 round bales, running about 700lbs.

Second question, the loader I have is a factory Ford loader off of a 4400 backhoe. Originally, the hydraulic system was powered off of a Cessna rotary pump driven off the crank (i do still have the pump). Can I tap into the tractors hydraulic system somewhere to run the loader? The loader uses the left side of the frame for the hydro tank, but I feel like if I just tied the loaders spool valves into the tractors system, I wouldn't need to use the loaders tank?

Thanks! Bryce


Your tractor has the optional second pump, which means your tractor hydraulics should provide more than adequate speed for an appropriate sized loader, which the front axle will easily handle.
 
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Your tractor has the optional second pump, which means your tractor hydraulics should provide more than adequate speed for an appropriate sized loader, which the front axle will easily handle.
Where would I tap into the system for power and return? The tractor has 2 sets of remotes, i don't want to use them. I've never been impressed with the speed of the remotes on this tractor. Seems slow to me, you think the loader would do okay though? Thanks!
 
I wouldn’t tie that loader into the tractors hydraulic system, but then I wouldn’t use that loader
The industrial style loaders are heavy full frame loaders that makes routine maintenance on the tractor difficult at best, even the simple act of changing a fuel filter which would now be behind the loaders subframe
That loader weighs nearly 1500 lbs were a quick attach frame loader for that tractor will average less than 1000 lbs, that’s like packing a 4x4 bale around all the time, plus you’ll need even more counter weight on the back to offset the additional loader weight

I’ve ran both loader styles, no way would I want another industrial style loader on a farm tractor, or for that matter any full frame loader, quick attach only here
 
I wouldn’t tie that loader into the tractors hydraulic system, but then I wouldn’t use that loader
The industrial style loaders are heavy full frame loaders that makes routine maintenance on the tractor difficult at best, even the simple act of changing a fuel filter which would now be behind the loaders subframe
That loader weighs nearly 1500 lbs were a quick attach frame loader for that tractor will average less than 1000 lbs, that’s like packing a 4x4 bale around all the time, plus you’ll need even more counter weight on the back to offset the additional loader weight

I’ve ran both loader styles, no way would I want another industrial style loader on a farm tractor, or for that matter any full frame loader, quick attach only here
I agree, but at this point I have the loader for free, and haven't found a better solution.
 
I have tractors from 1965 to 2021. I have Fords, CIH, and a couple of off brands, the newer tractors that have the loaders that don't cover any access to the engine area. If you do your own engine area work, loaders of yesteryear are nothing but a nuisance as you can't get to anything to fix it without removing the loader......so just how much effort is it to remove the loader to work in your engine area....sometimes for something as simple as changing the engine oil and filter........I just bought a CIH 895 that had a loader installed. I told the salesman, take the loader off and deliver it and I will buy it.....main reason on the loader is what I said......I couldn't see anything accessible with all that iron in the way.

Your decision, your loss.....or gain.
 
I wouldn’t tie that loader into the tractors hydraulic system, but then I wouldn’t use that loader
The industrial style loaders are heavy full frame loaders that makes routine maintenance on the tractor difficult at best, even the simple act of changing a fuel filter which would now be behind the loaders subframe
That loader weighs nearly 1500 lbs were a quick attach frame loader for that tractor will average less than 1000 lbs, that’s like packing a 4x4 bale around all the time, plus you’ll need even more counter weight on the back to offset the additional loader weight

I’ve ran both loader styles, no way would I want another industrial style loader on a farm tractor, or for that matter any full frame loader, quick attach only here
You are right on my man......you know what you are talking about. Thumbs up!!!!
 
I have tractors from 1965 to 2021. I have Fords, CIH, and a couple of off brands, the newer tractors that have the loaders that don't cover any access to the engine area. If you do your own engine area work, loaders of yesteryear are nothing but a nuisance as you can't get to anything to fix it without removing the loader......so just how much effort is it to remove the loader to work in your engine area....sometimes for something as simple as changing the engine oil and filter........I just bought a CIH 895 that had a loader installed. I told the salesman, take the loader off and deliver it and I will buy it.....main reason on the loader is what I said......I couldn't see anything accessible with all that iron in the way.

Your decision, your loss.....or gain.
I don't see all the fuss honnestly for the loader being in the way. I have a 4400 backhoe with the same loader, yes it can be frustrating to work around sometimes but it's never stopped us. The loader is simple to remove too if need be.

At this point, buying another loader isn't an option for me. They aren't cheap, or readily available around here. I have a perfectly good loader, while it may not be ideal, it's what I've got to work with. I need to be stabbing round bales in a little over a month so as long as it'll bolt on there it's gonn have to work this year at least.
 
I just bought a CIH 895 that had a loader installed. I told the salesman, take the loader off and deliver it and I will buy it.....

My dad has a CIH 695 with a loader and routine engine maintaince is no big deal. Loader comes off with 2 legs and 2 T handle bolts in 5ish minutes. Any tractor with a loader beats a shovel and wheel barrow in my book.

Dealer probably charged you the same price without the loader and got a loader to sell and you got a less useful tractor...
 
I don't see all the fuss honnestly for the loader being in the way. I have a 4400 backhoe with the same loader, yes it can be frustrating to work around sometimes but it's never stopped us. The loader is simple to remove too if need be.

At this point, buying another loader isn't an option for me. They aren't cheap, or readily available around here. I have a perfectly good loader, while it may not be ideal, it's what I've got to work with. I need to be stabbing round bales in a little over a month so as long as it'll bolt on there it's gonn have to work this year at least.
Maybe I'm just lazy, or spoiled Bryce.
 
My dad has a CIH 695 with a loader and routine engine maintaince is no big deal. Loader comes off with 2 legs and 2 T handle bolts in 5ish minutes. Any tractor with a loader beats a shovel and wheel barrow in my book.

Dealer probably charged you the same price without the loader and got a loader to sell and you got a less useful tractor...
I just bought an 895 and it had a loader installed. I told the seller, you keep the loader and deliver it and I'll give you $X for it. When he delivered it he told me that there were a few bolts that he had a real hard time getting to and getting the loader off was a PIA and he was a used equipment dealer with a nice store. Well since this is an early 1990's tractor, it had a lot of piddly little things that needed attention. I guarantee you that a loader would have been a kind sized PIA to get around to get at what needed to be replaced......to each his own!
 
My dad has a CIH 695 with a loader and routine engine maintaince is no big deal. Loader comes off with 2 legs and 2 T handle bolts in 5ish minutes. Any tractor with a loader beats a shovel and wheel barrow in my book.

Dealer probably charged you the same price without the loader and got a loader to sell and you got a less useful tractor...
N0! My bid which he took, was 30% below what he was asking for the tractor with the loader. I already have a 25 and 65 HP late model tractors with loaders and they raise up and are totally out of the way of any engine servicing requirement....all of the support structure is mid tractor, not front mounted (or rear axle braced).....which also puts additional stress on the front end.
 
Having owned a CIH 695 with a 2250 loader since 1992 I can tell you that all engine service can be done without too much trouble. Heck even a clutch split can be done with the loader installed. Short of an engine rebuild there's no reason to completely remove the loader.

I've seen a few tractors broke clean in half because the loader wasn't braced to the tractor enough...
 
I've worked on plenty of tractors with jungle gym loaders.
Fun? No.
Better than a shovel and wheel barrow For moving stuff? Absolutely.

For many years my only loader tractor was a 1965 ford 5000 with a homemade pipe loader on it. Did a lot of work with that tractor and a lot of maintaince to it. As much as the loader was a pain it was better than using a spade shovel and a 3pt spear for bales.
 
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