52 8n will not even cough

Purchased 1952 8n "not running". Had no spark at all. Fixed no spark problem and defective points but the tractor will not even "cough". I went so far as to spray ether right into the cylinders- Nothing! Used my spark tester and see a strong spark but still not even a hick-up! I think the timing is close using the thumb on cylinder 1 compression to determine the dist cap firing order (1-2-4-3). Its a 6v system and I have the battery charger on it while trying to start it to support the newer battery....Any ideas?
 
Sounds like your timing is off. Try loosening the 1/2 nut at the base of the distributor. While cranking, move the dist. back and forth slowly until you get it to hitting, hopefully. That's all I know.
 
Try this. Set a 12 volt battery in and try to start it. If it starts or tries then it may have a compression problem.
So now fill if the gap in your info. How long did it sit with out running?? If it sat over say 6 month then good chance it need an ATF treatment to unstick rings and valves
 
Take the intake air duct (pipe) off the carb. and see if the engine will suck your hand into the carb. air intake while cranking. Air cleaner could be clogged with dirt, wasp nests, etc. Replace spark plugs with clean or new plugs and if plug wires are not copper core type and in good condition, replace those too. Plugs should fire ether if you are getting air and spark to cylinder. Report results.
 
" I went so far as to spray ether right into the cylinders- Nothing!"

Yep, but the time you got the plugs back in it had evaporated.

If the distributor was pulled it would be out of time....which is a possibility but I'd save that check for last.

Charge the battery to insure max current to the ignition circuit.

Remove the plugs & put some ATF in each cylinder; spin the engine over a few revolutions & add some more ATF. Let it sit over night then try the hand over the carb throat compression check old suggested.

Follow that w/ a 12v jumper battery (see tip # 43) and starting fluid in the carb throat. (no choke)

Pls post back w/ results.
75 Tips
 
Thanks so much for the great tips!

The previous owner did pull the distributor (he thought it was bad) but he had the coil polarity reversed and the points were shorted. I fixed that and changed the plug wires/points/condenser/dist cap and now have what looks to me as great spark (had nothing!). I removed the air tube into the carb (after rebuilding carb) and feel suction into the carb when placing my hand over it. Found 0 and +4 on the flywheel and noted which dist port the rotor pointed to which I thought should be cylinder #1. New spark plugs as well- Cant get my compression tester at the plug hole easily-going to get some right angle adapter to maybe look at compression- Cant keep my finger over the plug holes on the compression stroke, on all cylinders with plugs removed, so I thought compression felt good on all the cylinders....I think the previous owner pulled the distributor but I thought it could only be put back in 1 way- Thanks again for everyones help!
 
Remember, there are two sets of timing marks on the flywhell, 180 degrees apart. You want the one that shows up when number 1(closest to rad) is on compression!
 
I suspect the dist was pulled out. Is there a correct way to align it when placing back in? I thought it doesnt matter as long as the compression stroke on #1 rotor position pointed to the #1 plug wire.....I did remove the dist plate to clean the corosion for a good ground contact for the points/condenser. Also oiled the dist weights below the plate to make sure they were not stuck being careful to keep the points clean. Tks for the help- ps- love the 75 tips!
 
Yup- I did see both sets of timing marks. Tried to set up rotor to plug 1 compression on both marks- not even a cough on either one-
 
The young man I purchased it from said it hasnt run since last fall- he worked on it various times cranking over the engine but could never get it running. He changed a bunch of things ignition related but he's a college student and this was his back-up tractor- he did not want to put more money into it so he put it up for sale and advertised it as "not running". He claimed the engine was rebuilt in 2008 and ran great up to last year...
 
" Is there a correct way to align it when placing back in?"

Yes.

Although it can go in any direction as you noted as long as the rotor points to #1 on the compression stroke, the reality is that you have an oiler & a primary wire to deal with.

Remove the #1 spark plug. (removing all of them makes the job a bit easier) Ignition off, place your thumb over the #1 spark plug hole and crank slowly until compression is felt. Continue to crank the engine until you see the timing mark, 0* (top dead center) on the flywheel through the timing hole in the right side of the bell housing. Use chalk on the flywheel to exactly align the 4 degree mark with the pointer. Hold the distributor beside the engine. W/ the distributor oiler at the 7 o’clock position & the stud at 9 o’clock, turn the rotor until it points roughly at the right front head bolt. (close counts) Now insert the distributor. Rotate the distributor housing counter clockwise until the points are closed. Put the cap on & double check the plug wires, 1-2-4-3, CCW. Then, remove the primary wire from the side of the distributor (or at the coil, whichever is easier) Put one lead of your VOM (set on resistance) on the stud on the side of the distributor & the other on the block or other good ground. Slowly turn the distributor. The needle will move as the points close & then open. Find the exact spot just as the points open & then tighten down the distributor.

Now check your work (and the dynamic timing) w/ a light.

If it won't idle below 500 rpm (400 is better) don't bother w/ a light.

If it idles ok, make 3 marks w/ chalk or white paint on the flywheel:

4*
10*
17*

Start the engine.

At idle, the light should flash & the marker should line up exactly at 4* if you did the static timing correctly.

If not, loosen the distributor & turn it until the marks line up. It should take very little adjustment.

Once you've got that done, increase the engine speed to 1200 rpms. The light should flash & the marker should line up w/ the 10* mark. Then, increase the rpms to 2000 & look for the marker to align w/ the 17* mark.

Close counts on the advanced timing. A degree or 2 either way is ok. But, no movement or 5* or more off means you have an advance weight problem. You don't adjust the distributor to fix that.

Re the compression gauge.....check out tip # 46.
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Good chance it has sticking rings and or valves which means low compression. I would fill the cylinders with ATF and let it sit a few days. Be sure to put the plugs back in to keep dirt etc out. Then after a few days pull the plugs and spin it over. You will wantto lay something under it or have it out where spilled ATF will not matter
 
did You check that the rotor is actually spinning when you crank the engine? My brother has a jube that had a broken dist plate. It would run fine, just stop. That was a tough one to figure out! You should crank it over with no cap on it and check the spark at the points that way. It helps if its dark out!

Joe
 
Have you done anything to verify that gasoline is getting to the carb? Remove the plug from the bottom of the carb. You should see a good flow of gas.
 
Tks- I just went out and tested the compression- got 75 on #1, 55 on #2, 55 on #3, and 75 on #4. Not sure what they should be but appears low.....I"ll try the ATF method next-
 
90PSI is flat out the lowest one should have for an N series tractor to run so your problem is the compression is by far way to low so good chance and ATF treatment will help
 
I"m going to try the ATF treatment next- The tractor set for over a year without running-Would you put the plugs back in and crank it a bit to distribute the atf? or just let it sit for a bit?

Tks for the advice-
 
(quoted from post at 07:34:13 12/06/13) I"m going to try the ATF treatment next- The tractor set for over a year without running-Would you put the plugs back in and crank it a bit to distribute the atf? or just let it sit for a bit?

Tks for the advice-

Put the ATF in, spin the engine a couple of seconds, then pour some more in. Hand tighten the plugs to keep chit out of the cylinders. Wait a few days. Add more ATF. Time is on your side. When you are ready to try again, add a tablespoon or so of oil to each cylinder. The ATF will help free stuck rings; the oil will help boost compression & lubricate the walls.

If you are looking for something to do while the ATF works its magic on the rings, remove the valve covers & spray ATF all over the valve stems, etc.

When you go to start it, make sure the battery in the tractor is fully charged; you need that for the ignition circuit. but jump it directly to the starter w/ a 12v battery (see tip # 43 first) A 12v jumper battery gets the starter spinning faster thus giving you more compression for a start.
 
(quoted from post at 07:34:13 12/06/13) I"m going to try the ATF treatment next- The tractor set for over a year without running-Would you put the plugs back in and crank it a bit to distribute the atf? or just let it sit for a bit?

Tks for the advice-

Don't put the plugs back in and crank it, thats a good way to break something or bend a rod.

Just a few oz's per hole and finger tight the plugs to keep junk out. Let it set for a few days, remove plugs and crank to remove excess atf.

May take a few tries. While you're waiting pull the valve covers and make sure they are moving up and down as you crank. ATF will help with that issue too.
 
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