8n has no power

B.P.

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This City boy needs some advise with his first tractor. It's a 1948 8n front mount dist. 8 volt elec system. Got it a couple months ago ran good up till tonight.
Starts O.K. runs ruff need to play with choke to keep it running at low idle . when taking off in gear it bogs down and will stall when you take off, the higher the gear the worse it gets.Once it's rolling it needs some choke to keep running, but not well. Used a sparkie with a 3/16th gap to test spark, spark won't jump the gap it arcs on the side of the plug.
Where do I start, I know there is a response already posted on this sight bu I have no idea where to look
Thanks'
BP
 
Check and clean and re-set the points(.015)--DoNOT touch the timing..Not necessary every time you touch the points.
 
Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, (do you?) the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw.

2. The insulator at the end of the points where the copper strip attaches.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate.

4. The condenser wire grounding.

5. The pigtail/tab not making contact.

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket; the coil must not move at all.

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket.

9. Dirty/corroded/incorrectly gapped points

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Then, check the gap at .015 on all 4 lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!


At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it’s easier to do this from the left side). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. What ever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts)

Then place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Then, hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush w/ the timing gear cover.

Now lets talk about your 8v battery.

Get out your meter. If your v/r has been tweaked to charge that 8v battery, you should see about 9.4v. If you see 7.2v or so, your v/r hasn't been tweaked & that 8v battery is no better than the 6v battery that is supposed to be there. And, tweaking a v/r isn't all that hard as long as you are prepared for the consequences of failure: a boiled battery, burned up v/r or no charge at all.

I'd clean all the grounds, replace the battery cables & either convert it to 12v or get it back to 6v. That 8v battery is going to burn up your points & lights &, because it's a frontmount, probably your coil as well.

It works like this.......technology & materials being what they were in the 30's, that square coil would melt if it ran on much more than 4 amps for any length of time. (see tip # 38 for an example). In order to get a hot spark at the same time the starter was drawing max current from the battery, a ballast resistor was added in the ignition circuit. What that did was add about .3 ohms of resistance in the circuit, added to the 1 ohm of the coil. That got you 5.7 amps or so at start up. As the voltage increased when the engine was running to about 7.5 volts, the resistor heated up, adding more resistance in the circuit. 1.0 ohms hot, plus 1 ohm of the coil got you down to 3.7 amps or so to keep from melting the coil. The same rule (actually, Ohm's Law) applies to a 8v circuit. I= E/R. Current equals voltage divided by resistance. So, 9.4v divided by 2 ohms gets you 4.7 amps. The difference of nearly 1 amp means more heat in that front coil.

And, the increase is worse for light bulbs.

Now I'm sure we will hear from folks who are using 8v batteries w/ no problems. That's not unheard of by any means.....but why bother?



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Sounds like gas fouled sparkplugs.Ive had this happen when I let my 640 idle too long while I cleaned up an old fence.It began to skip a bit.I could not pull away until I increased the throttle and let it run until the skipping stopped.John Deere owners know the prolonged idling will shut the 2 cylinder engine down.I keep a spare set of plugs in a covered jar of lacquer thinner and change them if I get gas fouling.Never happened before unleaded gas.Ive tested gas fouled plugs with a Model T buzz coil and found the spark dosent jump the gap,but runs down the nose of the insulator in thin streams.That wont ignite the fuel.You need a higher heat range now.H10s and Autolite 216s are not hot enough,If you ignore this you will have trouble.
 
I have used Ch H-10s for 5-6yrs[same set]and it starts,runs and pulls great.That's not to say yours or other's will do the same.I've had 2 sets of points in 7yrs,but check,reset,and regrease every year or so.A good set of points,properly set and maintained should last a while.I've talked with quite a few others who say the same,some say they're not any good.Depends on how carefully you install them,how many amperes pass through them,and other concerns.---lha
 
If you check catalogs you will see H12s listed.My tractor had a set of new H10s when I bought it.It ran fine on a 12 mile trip home but had trouble with fouling on regular use.I did find that one brand of gas was worse.My tractor doesnt burn oil and I know how to adjust a main jet.Since Champion shifted production to Mexico quality has suffered.One fellow said that 2 plugs in a box of 10 had no ground electrodes.My points have lasted much longer than yours.My tractor has a good strong spark.
 
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