8n manifold question

My 8n Ford the exhaust manifold is leaking on the rear cylinder.
Its got 4 bolts that hold the manifold to the engine.
Is this gasket hard to change?
How do you keep the bolts from breaking thats looks like the hardest part is keeping the bolts from breaking.

Any tips and tricks are greatly appreciated

I plan on getting the gaskets from tsc since my wife works there


Thanks for the advice and help
 

There should not be 4 bolts. It should be 4 studs with brass nuts. If there are bolt, yes, you will have a problem.

Rarely do you find just a bad gasket. Usually the manifold is burnt up and the block is pitted. So be prepared.


You can get your manifold resurfaced for about $30 -40 at most machine shops. If it is OEM & can be salvaged, do it.

While I'm a firm believer in "you get what you pay for", I've got nice fitting new manifolds for $85.

The nuts are brass, 7/16-20 x 5/8, NAPA part number STN104X, 27 lbs of torque. Fastenal has them for about $1.50 each; part number 75133. OEM studs are 1-5/8 long 7/16-14. NAPA doesn?t stock the 5/8?s length, but part number RFD 86644, 1 ? inch, works as does part number 86632, 2 inches. These studs are ?Handi-Pack? items. (I?ve used these longer studs on my 50 & 51 N?s, but you should make sure they do not bottom out in the block on your N as they are longer than OEM). If you don?t get them at NAPA, make sure that the stud has an egg-shaped center between the different threads. Use washers under the nuts.

If you're really lucky, you can get the nuts off w/o removing a stud or damaging it. And, if you buy a ticket, you could win the lottery. Drain the block & plan on at least one stud getting replaced!

There are two distinctly different recommendations on tightening the studs in the block. Because the stud goes into the water jacket & is constantly undergoing extreme heat & cooling cycles, some folks like to double-nut them & tighten them down at 37 lbs of torque. Others say that it?s a stud & should only be finger tight w/ a good dose of thread sealer or high temp silicone on them.

I?ve replaced the studs on 3 of my 4 N?s w/ no leaks; I finger tighten the studs then take a ? turn on them w/ vice grips.

This method of attaching the exhaust pipe to the manifold was developed for the Model A Ford in 1927. If you pay attention to what you are doing, it will not leak. You do not need tinfoil or gasket sealer to prevent leaks. Use the correct parts & install them correctly & it will not leak.



Make sure you are using the correct clamp. An automotive muffler c-clamp will not work. You need a clamp made for the N. If you have the correct clamp, it has a top & bottom. Make sure you have the clamp on correctly; check out tip # 8, below. All clamps are not created equally; the correct clamp should have 9/16 brass nuts.

Slide the tail pipe into the hanger clamp & then place the end of the exhaust pipe against the manifold. Look at it! Remember, the pipe will most always fit snugly to the OEM manifold w/o any problem, but a replacement manifold will likely not be the exact same size as the OEM manifold, so you will have some work to do. If it does not mate all the way around, put a broomstick down the pipe & into the manifold & gently bend the pipe until both surfaces mate snugly & squarely. If the exhaust pipe flange is bent, you will never get a good seal; check it out. The clamp is not a gasket; if the pipe & manifold do not mate tightly, it will leak. Do not try & hold the exhaust pipe against the manifold w/ your hand & while you tighten the clamp. Get out your floor jack & a block of wood; put the jack under the pipe to hold it tightly against the manifold. Confirm that the pipe is mated squarely to the manifold; if it is crooked, it will not seat. With the pipe jacked snugly and squarely to the manifold use your ? lb ball peen hammer and tap the pipe tight to the manifold flange all the way around. Its soft metal and this will only take about a minute. Tighten the clamp. (Don't get carried away w/ the jack or you will bend the pipe. Or, overtighten the clamp & snap it in two. BTDT). Put equal pressure on the clamp by tightening one side a few turns then a few turns on the other. Do not expect the clamp sides to touch; about 1/8? gap is normal.

When the clamp is tightened equally on both sides, remove the jack. If the pipe flops around, start over because you put the clamp on upside down. (Remember tip # 8)

If the block is badly pitted, (usually around # 4) you will have problems; get out the hi-temp metal epoxy. (Not JB Weld) VersaChem's exhaust manifold repair, or ThermoSteel, is said to be good to 2000 degrees. Clean the area real well with brake cleaner, put a little epoxy on it, put some wax paper over it and bolt down the manifold. After it dries take off the manifold and take a die grinder and clean the epoxy that might squish into the port. Look at the manifold, again around # 4. If it?s pitted & burned, it isn?t going to seal. Time to surface it or get a new one. Do not double the gaskets! The gasket has two pieces, left & right (or front & back.....whatever) Use hi-temp Permatex or even Copper coat. Make sure the surface is squeaky clean!
75 Tips
 
Correct they are studs with brass nuts.
I was concerned about the studs breaking.
Is there anything i can do to help prevent the studs from breaking
 
Do as Bruce says. The exhaust manifold wears around #4 port (nearest the dash) most because it gets the hottest as the downward gas port, where the muffler is clamped to, is right there. the cast iron will wear a channel in the surface thus creating the leak. Some attempt to apply quick-fix band-aids like 2 or 3 gaskets and/or Permatex on but all in all, a waste. If you have the manifold off, why not do it right the first time and simply replace it with a new one? 7/16-20 Brass Hex Nuts and steel lockwashers can be bought in separate kits or included with a new manifold kit also with gaskets. with studs and use a good 6-Point socket. Oh, and ya might wanna drain some coolant out of the radiator first with the petcock. One or two manifold studs tend to unscrew when replacing and then that allows the water jacket to be exposed and hasta go some place -your clothes is the usual place ... ;>) . It is also very important to know that studs are made with both NC (course) and NF (fine)thread ends. The coarse thread ALWAYS fastens into the cast iron piece/block and the fastener (hex nut) end always has the fine thread end. Stud coarse size is 7/16-14 and stud fine size is 7/16-20. Torque nuts to 27 ft/lbs. or equivalent of your hand and socket wrench. Run engine a few times hot and tighten again. Use a small amount of stud puckey (Anti-Seize)on fasteners, use of Permatex on gaskets and surfaces not necessary, but your option.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
 
here's an inexpensive cure to your exhaust leak and it WILL work. Clean off all your old gasket material and take a can of brake clean. Spray manifold and motor(rear exhaust port)and get it as clean and dry as possible.Put a bead of automotive black silicone around the port. Put your gasket on. Then another coat around that port on the gasket. Don't be stingy. Slide the manifold back on and tighten it down. Leave the excess that oozed out just as it is. Let it sit and dry overnite so it can dry good and the exhaust won't push it out. If you want a sure seal around exhaust pipe to manifold run a lite bead around the exhaust pipe before you put it up to the manifold. Somebody is sure to say it won't work but rest assured they haven't tried it. As long as you give it time to dry it'll fill an 1/8 inch gap or more. Don't get any around the intake port. Silicone and gas don't like each other. It CAN take the heat and it'll still be there till you take it apart years down the road!!!!!!!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 01:33:53 09/28/19) Correct they are studs with brass nuts.
I was concerned about the studs breaking.
Is there anything i can do to help prevent the studs from breaking

Several days ahead of when I needed to remove the manifold I sprayed the brass nuts with PB blaster and used a hammer and blunt rod to hit each one daily. Use a small wire brush to clean the threads as best you can. On the last day I slapped the impact on them and they came off like they were hand tight. YRMV
 
(quoted from post at 19:39:41 09/27/19) Ok thanks
If I knew it was gonna be this major i wouldn't have brought it.

Lots of information given in this thread but don't let it scare you. It's really not that big of a job. One thing though, I wouldn't drive the tractor any more until you get the problem fixed. There is a chance that the leak could do more damage and corrode either the manifold or block further.

Usually it's going to be the manifold that is corroded considering how long it's been driven with the leak. If it's corroded like mine was, you can get the manifold resurfaced or just buy a new manifold as I did, they are cheap enough.

Don't be afraid of tackling the job. You'll be glad you fixed it. I don't know what's on your tractor now but it's imperative that you use brass nuts on those studs.
 
The manifold I got from TSC was defective. There was an internal open passage from intake to exhaust side inside of manifold. Tractor would start but run terribly. Took manifold off and poured water in the new upside down manifold holding my hands on the intake ports of the manifold and water ran out the exhaust.

Bought a manifold from Ford dealer and it ran and had no problems.
 
(quoted from post at 03:39:41 09/28/19) Ok thanks
If I knew it was gonna be this major i wouldn't have brought it.

It's not major,, actually pretty easy as thing go on these tractors. My OEM manifold was cracked and causing it to leak between the gasket and the manifold. I got the replacement and nuts from our hosts and it fit well.
 
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