johnchristy

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I have a 8N with some 9N parts added.
Front mount distributor.
Cannot get spark to the plugs.
Have replaced condenser, points, distributor cap, wireing. The coil transmitts a 6 volt signal from the post through to the rotor contact point. I do not know if this indicated that the coil is OK.
When I crank the starter I do not get any spark at the plugs.
What is my next move?
 
(quoted from post at 16:01:28 01/31/09) I have a 8N with some 9N parts added.
Front mount distributor.
Cannot get spark to the plugs.
Have replaced condenser, points, distributor cap, wireing. The coil transmitts a 6 volt signal from the post through to the rotor contact point. I do not know if this indicated that the coil is OK.
When I crank the starter I do not get any spark at the plugs.
What is my next move?

I once had a problem that just stumped me. I had replaced everything already and about an hour later my 8n just stopped dead like I turned the key off, so I knew it was electric not fuel. I never could find the problem so I loaded it up on the trailer and took it into our resident country mechanic. He found that the little copper strip that runs into the distributor was broken. Such a tiny little thing sure can be hard to find.
 
1) Do you have the FO-4 Manual? If not suggest you get one.

2) Not sure if you are aware or not but it's much easier to work on the distributor when it is OFF of the tractor. Two bolts is all that holds it on.

2) Check to nake sure your points aren't inadvertently grounding out. Use a a test light or continuity meter to make sure the ignition circuit is actually opening and closing as the points open and close. If the points are not electrically isolated that circuit is effectively 'closed' all the time and you wont get a spark. Many of us have had this happen when installing new points - its very easy to accidentally install points with something touching the points that shouldnt.

3) Make sure the little springy thing on the bottom of the coil is making good contact with the distributor by 'stretching' it out a little bit.
 
I have discovered that 75% of “no spark” problems on frontmounts are as a result of poorly aligned parts or wires & not parts failures. Remember, you are dealing w/ parts made over 50 years ago that have seen a lot of wear & tear. They just don’t fit together like they used to.

First, turn the key on & crank the engine while you look at the ammeter. What is it doing? If it deflects, that means your points are opening & closing. If it shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that means you need to do some more checking.

Next, check for voltage at the top of the coil. Battery voltage w/ the points open & about half of that when they are closed. If you do not have voltage to the coil, then move upstream to the resistor then to the ignition switch. As you check each component, wiggle it & the wires attached to it & watch you meter. Resistors break or get shorted & wires corrode.

If the voltage never drops when the engine is cranking, that means the points are not closing or you have lost contact between the pigtail & the brass screw or the tab & the cap.

Next, check for continuity inside the distributor w/ a meter. It is very easy to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replaced the points. Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor that the coil pig tail does. The condenser wire goes the opening on the top right. Look at the points; are they burned, pitted or mis-aligned? Check the point gap, .015 on all four lobes.

Next, with the distributor still off the tractor, install the coil. Look at the pigtail on the coil; is it touching the brass screw w/ the concave head inside of the distributor? Don’t trust your eyes; test for continuity from the top of the coil to the points. If you do not have continuity, stretch the pigtail a bit until you do. (some people would rather put a small washer under the brass screw) Make sure that the pigtail is not grounded to the clip that holds the distributor plate in place; sometimes you can move the plate while setting the timing & actually ground the pigtail. Your meter should tell you this even if your eyes don’t! Also, look at the little tab opposite of the pigtail; bend it a bit also to insure that it will contact the distributor cap. Another common failure point is the insulator in the tab on the distributor plate where the brass screw w/ the concave head goes; it holds the copper strip from the points. Again, your meter will usually tell you if you have a problem, but you might have to wiggle the copper strip a bit. Once you are sure that you have good continuity inside the distributor, you should be good to go.

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it helps to loosen the fan belt). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

There is no way to test the coil unless you have some very old testing equipment; it either works or it doesn't.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.
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