8N with loader

[Paul in Edmonton]

I think I've got my wife thinking that a front end loader would be a good idea. And here's an 8N with a loader that just popped up on Kijiji:

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-Ford-Tractor-8N-W0QQAdIdZ440109878

What do you think about it? Anything in particular I should check if I go to look at it?

Thanks,

-Paul

 

[Royse]

I wonder what he means by "just had the head done".
It's a flat head. No valves or anything in the head.
Hard to see much in the pictures, but with a FEL, check for
bent radius rods, excessive play in the steering, pivot pin, etc.
Also check for fluid leaking from the rear axles on the inside of the wheels.
The rear axles tend to leak into the brakes and then they don't work.
Not a bad fix, but a common problem.
PTO, 3pt hitch, noise from the hydraulic pump when lifting a load, and of course the normal oil leaks, water in oil, oil in antifreeze, tires, etc.

 

[Bob Harvey]

If you read enough data, you might find that a FEL is NOT the best option on these small tractors. Did ya go to the beach today for some healthy sun tanning and a swim ? Hah, ha. ( my grown-up kids are in Grande Prairie, my son said it was so cold, he was wearing his long shorts!).

 

[Colin King]

Maybe a new headgasket is what he means?

The equipment looks decent and the price is good. Something to protect the radiator is needed.

Colin, MN

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 23:27:27 12/17/12) I think I've got my wife thinking that a front end loader would be a good idea. And here's an 8N with a loader that just popped up on Kijiji:

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-Ford-Tractor-8N-W0QQAdIdZ440109878

What do you think about it? Anything in particular I should check if I go to look at it?

Thanks,

-Paul

I'm not a cheapskate but IMO that is too much money to spend on a poor loader tractor. If you need a loader tractor bite the bullet and pony up a little bit more cash for something that works a whole lot better.

TOH

 

[souNdguy]

3K$ obo, canada.. hmm.. if it is front pump ( think it is ).. just can't see the pic.

it likely isn't a BAD deal.. though I think you could get an 00/01 for that price.

In any case.. if there is nothing else.. and you want it.. make an offer. get it under the 3k$

 

[Paul in Edmonton]

I was thinking 8N just so I wouldn't have to learn the tricks for a new type of tractor. I know that an 8N is not the best option for a FEL, though.

Other options in the same price range (well, a bit higher, actually) on Kijiji are:

Duetz Diesel 1971 70 hp, $5500
Cockshutt 570 Diesel 1960, $5000
Cockshutt Oliver Diesel, $5500
Allis Chalmers 1972, $5000 (this one is smaller, but comes with several accessories)

 

[souNdguy]

not too many 'new' tricks to learn from owning an 8n vs.. say. a 640 or 841.. etc..

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 07:39:47 12/18/12) 3K$ obo, canada.. hmm.. if it is front pump ( think it is ).. just can't see the pic.

it likely isn't a BAD deal.. though I think you could get an 00/01 for that price.

In any case.. if there is nothing else.. and you want it.. make an offer. get it under the 3k$

There's not even a front bumper on the thing. I don't see where a front mounted pump would be.

 

[souNdguy]

bumpers are not required equipmnet for front mounted pumps.

I don't have a conventional computer, i use small mobile devices and tablets, etc.. so as i said.. it's hard to see the frot. many people cut the bottom of the front out to accomodate a pump. I notice the bucket has a hyd bucket, meaning theyt are using a seperate valve other than the hyd lift quadrant. Of course you could use that off the built in pump and just not hit the clutch... etc.. If it did not have a front pump I would pass on it.

 

[Paul in Edmonton]

If it did not have a front pump I would pass on it.

I presume by front pump you mean a belt driven pump behind the radiator, like the Hokie Hydraulics system. As opposed to having the pump stick out the front like on cement trucks. Correct?

-Paul

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 12:30:24 12/18/12) [b:e935bceb80][color=red:e935bceb80]bumpers are not required equipmnet for front mounted pumps[/color:e935bceb80].
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I don't have a conventional computer, i use small mobile devices and tablets, etc.. so as i said.. it's hard to see the frot. many people cut the bottom of the front out to accomodate a pump. I notice the bucket has a hyd bucket, meaning theyt are using a seperate valve other than the hyd lift quadrant. Of course you could use that off the built in pump and just not hit the clutch... etc.. If it did not have a front pump I would pass on it.

No a bumper isn't necessary but a front mounted pump has to be mounted to something stable. I used the "enlarge image" link in that post and didn't see any evidence of a front mounted pump. I just don't see how a front pump could be mounted behind the grill.

 

[souNdguy]

making a small frame to mount a front pump is easy to do. My ford 850 has a front pump.. it's frame mounts right to the bolster. mine only sticks out an inch or so from my improvised front grill.

I'm not saying that one has one. too hard for me to see on a small screen.

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 16:07:20 12/18/12) making a small frame to mount a front pump is easy to do. My ford 850 has a front pump.. it's frame mounts right to the bolster. mine only sticks out an inch or so from my improvised front grill.

I'm not saying that one has one. too hard for me to see on a small screen.
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It does not look like there is a front pump on that 8N. No pump or hoses anywhere to be seen even in the full size image. If he is running it off the test port it will be SLOWwwwwww. At 70HP, 6000#, and 12F/4R gears the Deutz is 5X more tractor for $2500 more.

 

[souNdguy]

generally when you see 'front pump' listed.. it's refering to a stinger / crank driven front pump.

In practical terms.. it would / could work as well with a belt driven front pump too... if it had one.. anything live, with sufficient pressure capabilities( 1500-2500 psi ), and 3+ gpm would do 'N' based loader work.. etc..

 

[souNdguy]

5x harder to work on and ?X harder to get parts for too. $$Harder$$ when it comes to parts and services too.

We've owned deutz.

love the technology.. hate paying for it though...

 

[Paul in Edmonton]

My flatdeck trailer has a GVWR of 7000#. Subtract the weight of the trailer itself, and I don't think I can haul anything much over 4500#... That has to factor into any purchasing decision. All those diesel tractors are heavier.

I know a bunch of people here have loaders on their N's, so I know it can work, even if not ideal. Assuming a decent hydraulic pump has been added, of course. Really I don't need it for much--mainly moving snow.

-Paul

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 14:30:55 12/18/12) My flatdeck trailer has a GVWR of 7000#. Subtract the weight of the trailer itself, and I don't think I can haul anything much over 4500#... That has to factor into any purchasing decision. All those diesel tractors are heavier.

I know a bunch of people here have loaders on their N's, so I know it can work, even if not ideal. Assuming a decent hydraulic pump has been added, of course. Really I don't need it for much--mainly moving snow.

-Paul

Below is my 8N with a Davis loader on it. I've had it for 9 years now and have had no problems with it. I live out in the hills on 5 acres with lots of dirt road in and out of my place so that bucket and box blade get plenty of use during storms. Some of the ruts get so big that I have to fill them in with the bucket before using the blade to smooth things out.

I would really be lost without the bucket. The difference between driving an 8N with and without a FEL is like climbing on an ox compared to a gazelle. But as I said, I couldn't do without this tractor. It ain't pretty but it runs good. Oh yeah, I didn't paint it orange.

 

[souNdguy]

yeah.. with my pad.. even with enlarge.. it's an ominous balck spot for me.

I don't disagree about the deutz being more tractor.

I'm not a big fan on the N series anyway.. and only have limited interest in the naa.. only because it has red tiger tech..e tc. my real fun is the 55-64. even those however, are not screaming laoder machines. not till you get an industrial axle do they get nice IMHO...

 

[pconnie]

wow what a clean unit..love the way the hyd. are routed

 

[souNdguy]

the hardlines? yeah.. clean and out o fthe way.. though a pain to work on.

it's the only thing 'clean' on theat tractor. It's one of my roughest units.