9N Loses Power

Our 42 9N 6v front mount dist. is losing power after about 1/2 hour of work. Sometimes sooner.
Brush hogging yesterday afternoon when this happened. Gets so bad have to disengage PTO to get it back to barn. Limps along without PTO engaged ... this slowly build power enough to get home. Let her cool overnight and next morning can get about 1/2 hr to 1hr work before same thing.
Happened today, and thought I might have carb problem. So pulled good carb off 8N and mounted on the 9N. Back to field for 15 minutes of work before same thing.
Wondering if I"m getting flakes from gas tank in the carb that plugs her up?
Is it getting hot and expanding? Maybe governer?
Any help greatly appreciated.
Bill
 
It takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem down to spark or fuel.



There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16” ( ¼” is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.



Next time it stops, check quickly for fuel then spark. When I say quickly, I mean get off the seat, grab the tools & do it right then. Do not wait a minute or two. First, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem. So, next, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16” gap, you probably don’t have a spark problem. If it won’t jump the 3/16” gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn’t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38)



If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn’t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don’t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don’t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don’t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)



There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That’s why removing the bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to do it. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ¼” in the open air, so that's why you need to use a spark plug. Or, a store bought plug checker (on the left in the picture). Remember, it’s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running.
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Bill.......there are 4-common run-time "issues" with the 4-nipple frontmount ignition system.
1) runs for about 2-mins and quits; restarts in about 10-mins. BAD condenser. NOT yerr problem
2) runs for about 5-mins and quits; restarts in about 15-mins. CLOGGED gas filters, usually the one INSIDE the gastank. NOT yer problem
3) runs for about 1-hr and quits; restarts in about 4-hrs or overnite cooldown. BAD squarecan ignition coil. NOT yer problem.
4) runs for about 15-mins and quits; restarts in about 30-mins. BAD weaksister ignition switch ($15, cheap) Sounds like yer problem???
......Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister
 
Sounds like an ignition system issue to me, your spark is getting weak when it gets warmed up. Have you checked if jumpering the ignition switch when this happens makes any difference? If not that I would suspect the coil is breaking down when it gets warm.
 
I checked the gas flow at carb right away and it was good. Also changed the fuel inlet elbow at carb with filter on it thinking I might have crud getting in. Same thing.
I see from archives and your responses that the failing ignition switch is common problem. I'm going to jumper it and see if that's culpret.

Probably the ignition switch, but going to check the filters at sed-bowl anyway. Prob time for anew.
If ignition switch not it, I'll post back.
Thanks, Bill
 
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