always wondered

[kenbob]

DO any of the agco tractors still show any of the heritage of lines that combined to make them? I have never even seen one up close but have Oliver and ALlis in my history of tractors.

 

[DrAllis]

Like, if you walked up to the rear end of any current production AGCO tractor, will it remind you of an Allis-Chalmers or Oliver ?? Nope. You won't see anything Massey looking either. A-C was out of business by 1986. So, 40 years later there isn't anything still being produced or even parts that resemble that old tractor line.

 

[kenbob]

I figured as much with so much time passing. Just wondered if early on they favored any one of their makes. THanks for the info

 

[DrAllis]

Early on (20-25 years ago) the Massey line had DNA blood infused into the tractors. But, models kept getting larger and larger, which was all new. In the first years (1985 thru say 1990ish) the Deutz people should have used the 8000 series Allis tractor with their engine in it. But, they were smarter than most of us and 5 years later AGCO was formed.

 

[rrlund]

Wasn't it 2005 that they put all of the brands in the steering wheel center cap?

 

[DrAllis]

Could be. I left the ag side in 1999.

 

[rrlund]

Could be. I left the ag side in 1999.

I think that was the last year of the AGCO Allis and AGCO White tractors and they put that center cap on all of them as a tribute to the lineage.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

Early on (20-25 years ago) the Massey line had DNA blood infused into the tractors. But, models kept getting larger and larger, which was all new. In the first years (1985 thru say 1990ish) the Deutz people should have used the 8000 series Allis tractor with their engine in it. But, they were smarter than most of us and 5 years later AGCO was formed.

They got what was coming to them. What did they think was gonna happen when they pained them green?

It was traumatic enough for Allis guys, but to ramrod green down their throats? Ironically, Deutz is a good tractor but farmers were not happy.

I think Tenneco dodged a bullet when they decided to keep IH red... they could have found themselves in the same boat.

 

[DrAllis]

Imagine yourself owning a 1977 7045 or 7060 power shift transmission tractor. It's now 1987 and you are interested in trading tractors. What ?? no Power Shift transmission ???............

 

[NY 986]

They got what was coming to them. What did they think was gonna happen when they pained them green?

It was traumatic enough for Allis guys, but to ramrod green down their throats? Ironically, Deutz is a good tractor but farmers were not happy.

I think Tenneco dodged a bullet when they decided to keep IH red... they could have found themselves in the same boat.

During the good times of the late 1970's IH's market share for above 100 HP row crops tractors was 33 percent while JI Case was a little over half of that or 17 percent. JD was at 40 percent so AC, White, Ford, and MF divided the remaining 10 precent. This is per an Implement & Tractor article from that period. Tenneco knew where the numbers were on market share. They stubbed their toe pretty good when they thinned the herd in terms of dealers at least in my region. The popular IH dealers for the most part had their dealer contracts cancelled and many customers bought JD tractors and equipment as a result. A few popular AC dealers got cut loose by DA as well. Ford New Holland had excellent timing as many of these former dealers lined up to take on FNH. The Ford dealers that sort of just got by since the 8N days were either cancelled or retired.

 

[rrlund]

CaseIH did the same thing here. There was a Case dealer that sold the crap out of new tractors, unreal how many. There was an IH dealer each direction from them, about equal distance. They had the same name, but were two separate businesses. I believe the original owners were cousins or something. Anyway, they pulled the contract from the Case dealer. I don't think it was over two or three years and both IH dealers were closed.

 

[m16ty]

AGCO never had any AC heritage other than name and the Gleaner combine. When Deutz bought AC in 1985 they didn’t buy any of the tractors or production. When AGCO bought AC from Deutz there was nothing left of the AC tractor line, they couldn’t have any heritage of it if they wanted to, it was all gone. Neither Deutz or AGCO ever owned the “Allis Chalmers” name. The AC name and logo now belongs in Archer Well Services in TX. Anytime AGCO, Ertl, or anybody else wants to use the AC name they have to get permission from Archer.

Now the White still retained some of their Oliver heritage, but it’s now long gone too.

 

[kenbob]

Thanks m16ty, that was what I was trying to find out.

 

[Moline_guy]

Our 1998 agco white 8510 has the same rear cast centers as a 2-155, with four holes for weights. Minneapolis moline rear weights bolt right up. We swapped the drawbar from a 2-155 white onto the agco white 8510, same bolt holes and dimensions. Other than that I don't think there is much, but it does run the 8.3 cummins like the late workhorse whites used. Other than some electrical glitches pretty good tractor. It has 17,000 hours with no trans or engine work, can't complain about that.

 

[kenbob]

I would say that is a good tractor!

 

[jt candycane]

Yeah a good/great tractor