Back fires

[Jim.ME]

Yes sure. The wires are on clockwise. That’s the problem.

I see 1-2-3-4 counterclockwise or 1-4-3-2 clockwise. Here is a closer look.

 

[rustred]

I see 1-2-3-4 counterclockwise or 1-4-3-2 clockwise. Here is a closer look.

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yes jim your right , sure hard to see on a phone, looked on laptop , but regardless both ways are wrong now LOL!! would get a big backfire this way. least a picture settles stuff fast.

 

[rustred]

and we both asked about firing order ,... but no confirmation on that, and i find it odd the correct stuff is always last for o p's to check.. and the tales keep pouring in.

 

[Jim.ME]

Mfrench,

Do you understand you need to plug the wires into the cap (in the proper rotation) according to the firing order 1-3-4-2, the distributor does not pick them out to fire at the right time when they are just lined up 1-2-3-4 in the cap. If you set #1 to where the rotor pointed when it was at TDC compression just move 3 to the hole where 2 is now, 4 to where 3 is now and put 2 where 4 is now (or move the plug ends if you prefer). If you have #1 in the right place it should start and run after making those wire moves.

 

[Mfrench]

It turns counterclockwise.

Are you sure about how they are plugged in?

Yes sure. The wires are on clockwise. That’s the problem.

I was doing what I would do on a v8 instead of just 1234 .i was following the firing order on the block ... Thank you .

 

[Jim.ME]

and we both asked about firing order ,... but no confirmation on that, and i find it odd the correct stuff is always last for o p's to check.. and the tales keep pouring in.

He asked in his first post if the firing order was 1-3-4-2 and counterclockwise rotation and I replied in the affirmative in post #2. So I figured he had it assembled that way.

 

[Mfrench]

He has 3 cyl wire looped under the coil wire. Instead of nicely in order. But it’s wrong anyhow. Another reason I make all my wires. They are all cut to length and neat. Not this one set fits all deal.

These wires have metal wires you can see under the part that clips on the plug .this is the way it came to me .not the way my own have . It’s a neighbors . Thank you for the help .

 

[Jim.ME]

@Mfrench you posted:

"I was doing what I would do on a v8 instead of just 1234 .i was following the firing order on the block ... Thank you ."

I do not see that you followed the firing order that is on the block. The picture you posted in your post (#14) shows the plug wires in the distributor cap arranged as 1-2-3-4, when I followed each wire back to the plug it hooked to. In your picture they are not in the firing order of 1-3-4-2. I can only go on what I see in your picture.

 

[Mfrench]

@Mfrench you posted:

"I was doing what I would do on a v8 instead of just 1234 .i was following the firing order on the block ... Thank you ."

I do not see that you followed the firing order that is on the block. The picture you posted in your post (#14) shows the plug wires in the distributor cap arranged as 1-2-3-4, when I followed each wire back to the plug it hooked to. In your picture they are not in the firing order of 1-3-4-2. I can only go on what I see in your picture.

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I understand that now thank you

 

[rustred]

wow, on the block it says 1342. in your picture u have 1234 , so tell me how you came to this conclusion. proof of your no start backfire situation. get them wires on correctly and start this tractor and enough goofing around already. and if we didnt have a picture this post would never end. back then instructors would draw this all out on a blackboard for the class. plus it is in the automotive apprenticeship book. everything u need to know.

 

[Jim.ME]

I understand that now thank you

If it doesn't start, we will have to confirm you have #1 actually on the compression stroke and the rotor pointed at the correct post in the distributor cap when it is.

 

[rustred]

These wires have metal wires you can see under the part that clips on the plug .this is the way it came to me .not the way my own have . It’s a neighbors . Thank you for the help .

and i would like to see that also. i have never seen wire core wires as fat as carbon core wires. seeing is believing.

 

[ohiowa]

I have a related question. Why do these old tractors need to use steel core wires

 

[Mfrench]

and i would like to see that also. i have never seen wire core wires as fat as carbon core wires. seeing is believing.

 

[rustred]

I have a related question. Why do these old tractors need to use steel core wires

that was the standard thing back then . and less resistance for the spark on them 6 volt systems. plus you would hear the firing on your radio in the house. later on carbon came out in the 60's and help prevent that . it takes more ooph for the spark to jump a carbon core. many times a condenser was placed on the coil to help with that wire static. then with electronic ignition the wires were fatter also.

 

[rustred]

now them wires should be cut to length and make a nice neat job.

 

[ohiowa]

I have my dad's 2n that he bought new when he came home from ww2. I bought wires for it from this site. they came carbon Fibre and were not the correct length, too long. I install them anyway and it seemed to run worse than what I assume were maybe the original wires. before I could look into the matter the extra wire got into the fan belt and that was that! May buy wire and make my own. I don't look forward to fishing them through that tube again. I also have my dad's 51 44D. that's why I watch this forum

 

[Jim.ME]

@ Mfrench

Belden Premium metallic wires, good wires with a heavy jacket. As rustred noted they could be cleaned up a bit to look neater but that is up to you neighbor.

Have you re-arranged the sparkplug wires yet? If so, did it start and run?

Edited to clarify who reply was to.

 

[ohiowa]

Well, I put these wires on along with new points but, this did not help any. further testing showed low compression on #3 cyl. Oil helped compression a little and the valves are fine. so I was just waiting till I had the time to tear into it when it ate the wires. I'm trying to clean out the shop to get it in.

 

[ohiowa]

Jim, Are the Belden Premium metallic wires a 2n set? or spool and make your own?