case 580ck 188d starter

[dirtsportsman]

trying to rebuilt my starter, it will not engage , it doesnt even click. the battery is new, and has enough volt but now the starter wont turn. I tapped the starter with a hammer while turning the key, but didn't do anything...I cant see any numbers on this starter? any sugguestions.

 

[mEl]

The numbers are usually stamped into the body if it is the standard Delco body. Personally if I were in your position I would look up the Nippondenso Gear Reducion and put it on, vastly improved starter and will probably cost more to have yours rebuilt than for a new one, if it is unit with power steering lines near it they will have to be tweaked for clearance and you may have to lengthen your cables a bit. I spent my career doing this stuff and would never consider putting a Delco back on but its your call.

 

[dirtsportsman]

mel, upon closer view....it is a dixia TS-1171 (143514) not sure what happened to the starter...but thanks again for your assistance. glad to hear from you again...jer

 

[Jim.ME]

(quoted from post at 13:57:46 12/21/20) mel, upon closer view....it is a dixia TS-1171 (143514) not sure what happened to the starter...but thanks again for your assistance. glad to hear from you again...jer

Could the "a" be an "e"? Dixie Electric, Ltd. builds and remanufactures starters. TS-1171 is the number for one of their reman starters. I suggest you follow mEI's advise, or at least swap it for a rebuilt at a parts store. If you rebuild it, do you have the tools to check the armature and fields, and turn the commutator? Just sticking brushes and bushing in it may get you going but it isn't a rebuild.

 

[dirtsportsman]

(quoted from post at 12:20:06 12/21/20)

(quoted from post at 13:57:46 12/21/20) mel, upon closer view....it is a dixia TS-1171 (143514) not sure what happened to the starter...but thanks again for your assistance. glad to hear from you again...jer

Could the "a" be an "e"? Dixie Electric, Ltd. builds and remanufactures starters. TS-1171 is the number for one of their reman starters. I suggest you follow mEI's advise, or at least swap it for a rebuilt at a parts store. If you rebuild it, do you have the tools to check the armature and fields, and turn the commutator? Just sticking brushes and bushing in it may get you going but it isn't a rebuild.

 

[dirtsportsman]

hi jimME..yup its a Dixie ... how do I find the original starter part number to follow up with mels advise. I see all kinds of the recommended gear-starters but none listed for the particular model 1971 580ck with g188d engine. hmm, now what?

 

[mEl]

Dirt, google 580D case backhoe starter, that is where that starter was used, I believe also the C's. Google 104451A1. Also A47496 should be the same starter, Be careful as I seen some very cheap, one less than $100.00 and I guarantee you that is a knockoff. Look for OEM and pay a bit more up front for a higher quality Denso unit is my advice. Don't let appearance throw you they look nothing like the Delco. they are a true gear reduction offset motor style.

 

[dirtsportsman]

(quoted from post at 17:57:21 12/21/20) Dirt, google 580D case backhoe starter, that is where that starter was used, I believe also the C's. Google 104451A1. Also A47496 should be the same starter, Be careful as I seen some very cheap, one less than $100.00 and I guarantee you that is a knockoff. Look for OEM and pay a bit more up front for a higher quality Denso unit is my advice. Don't let appearance throw you they look nothing like the Delco. they are a true gear reduction offset motor style.

mEL, maybe I am missing something, but I cant find the right Nippondenso gear reduction replacement starter.. the tooth count is different to the TS1771 and delco 1007583 are 9T. I noticed that these 2 starter have a cone shape and have 3 bolt holes. The Nippon GRS doesn't have a cone and a different bolt pattern..

 

[mEl]

(quoted from post at 10:51:26 12/23/20)

(quoted from post at 17:57:21 12/21/20) Dirt, google 580D case backhoe starter, that is where that starter was used, I believe also the C's. Google 104451A1. Also A47496 should be the same starter, Be careful as I seen some very cheap, one less than $100.00 and I guarantee you that is a knockoff. Look for OEM and pay a bit more up front for a higher quality Denso unit is my advice. Don't let appearance throw you they look nothing like the Delco. they are a true gear reduction offset motor style.

mEL, maybe I am missing something, but I cant find the right Nippondenso gear reduction replacement starter.. the tooth count is different to the TS1771 and delco 1007583 are 9T. I noticed that these 2 starter have a cone shape and have 3 bolt holes. The Nippon GRS doesn't have a cone and a different bolt pattern..

Thr Densos do not have a cone and if you order for a 580C-D if they send the right unit it will bolt on and work, the tooth count is not important as the starter shaft centerline could have been changed to allow it to mesh right with fewer or more teeth. I have done this update many times and with excellent results.

 

[mEl]

The Denso and Delco have the 3 bolt pattern which is identical. The starter should be right if matched with the Case numbers I gave you. Mounted, the motor will be on the top and the solenoid area where the wires connect on the bottom. The ring gears on the flywheel for each starter are the same PN. You are safe to order the starter I pointed out, Beware however that there are cheap knockoffs out there and look identical, beware of words like Denso "style"ones for 89 bucks. I would look for OEM around 200 bucks and gladly pay the difference for the OEM. The results you have with this new starter will depend on cable quality and sizing, Battery condition is vital. Also I add a relay to the starting systems to supply more current to the solenoid energizing circuit but we can talk about that later.