clutch

[stretchmark]

can anyone HELP me ive got a john deere 1010 tractor.Ive put a new clutch pressure plate through out bearing and i got the clutch pedal adjusted to where theres about 1/2 in free play but the clutch will not release you have to shut it off to put it in gear.That was the reason the guy brought it to me,He said it has always ground when you put it in gear and the it got to where you had to shut it off and put it in gear and then start it in gear I have no clue

 

[used red MN]

can anyone HELP me ive got a john deere 1010 tractor.Ive put a new clutch pressure plate through out bearing and i got the clutch pedal adjusted to where theres about 1/2 in free play but the clutch will not release you have to shut it off to put it in gear.That was the reason the guy brought it to me,He said it has always ground when you put it in gear and the it got to where you had to shut it off and put it in gear and then start it in gear I have no clue

Hello Stretchmark, welcome to YT! We can assume you installed the clutch plate facing the correct direction? Did you check the pilot bearing?

 

[Tx Jim]

Ditto was new pilot brg installed? Another possibility is clutch hub is binding on trans input shaft when clutch pedal is depressed. Did tractor halves join back together easily after new clutch was installed?

 

[Welding man]

Could be Clutch Spin. If the clutch disc does not float back on the input shaft when the pedal is pushed down, this can happen. Idle the tractor down to a low idle and see of it helps. We put a clutch in a Super C Farmall last month that had a pilot bushing instead of a bearing, it was a little tight and it did the same thing. You could idle it down and it would go right in gear. I always make sure the clutch disc is free on the shaft before assembly. Sometimes the splines do not match perfectly.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

Take it down to zero free play, for test purposes, and see what you have.

Have gotten 154 Lo-Boy clutches from YT that were so sloppy at the levers, that they simply will not function with free play at specs.

They still worked good, just that the free play is somewhere else, other than between the levers and throwout bearing .

 

[stretchmark]

Hello Stretchmark, welcome to YT! We can assume you installed the clutch plate facing the correct direction? Did you check the pilot bearing?

yes it was replaced

 

[stretchmark]

Ditto was new pilot brg installed? Another possibility is clutch hub is binding on trans input shaft when clutch pedal is depressed. Did tractor halves join back together easily after new clutch was installed?

kinda i mean we had to use bolts to join it together it popped and closed the gap

 

[stretchmark]

i just found out that when the guy bought the tractor it always had a grind to it then it got to where you had to shut the tractor off to get it into gear same problem with new clutch

 

[stretchmark]

Could be Clutch Spin. If the clutch disc does not float back on the input shaft when the pedal is pushed down, this can happen. Idle the tractor down to a low idle and see of it helps. We put a clutch in a Super C Farmall last month that had a pilot bushing instead of a bearing, it was a little tight and it did the same thing. You could idle it down and it would go right in gear. I always make sure the clutch disc is free on the shaft before assembly. Sometimes the splines do not match perfectly.

i did didnt help

Hello Stretchmark, welcome to YT! We can assume you installed the clutch plate facing the correct direction? Did you check the pilot bearing?

i made a jig and used some small plates of steel and a bolt welded and put the old throw out bearing on and compressed the pressure plate fingers and the clutch you could spin

 

[used red MN]

it popped and closed the gap

“popped” doesn’t sound ideal. That would tend to increase my vote towards damage/bending of the clutch plate during the installation process. Only you and others there at the time know how much force was being applied to turn the bolts.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

OK, that doesn't sound good. Should never draw the bolts down to bring it together unless you're down to 1/4 ". With all alignment correct, it should slide home completely with no force at all.

What it did before I pretty much a academic at this point. You may have caused damage that gives the same symptoms.

 

[stretchmark]

Could be Clutch Spin. If the clutch disc does not float back on the input shaft when the pedal is pushed down, this can happen. Idle the tractor down to a low idle and see of it helps. We put a clutch in a Super C Farmall last month that had a pilot bushing instead of a bearing, it was a little tight and it did the same thing. You could idle it down and it would go right in gear. I always make sure the clutch disc is free on the shaft before assembly. Sometimes the splines do not match perfectly.

ok when i split the tractor the input shaft comes out with the clutch i have to put vice grips on it and tap it out so would that mean the splines need some cleaning

“popped” doesn’t sound ideal. That would tend to increase my vote towards damage/bending of the clutch plate during the installation process. Only you and others there at the time know how much force was being applied to turn the bolts.

i thought that to but i split it again and there no damage to the clutch plate when i split it the in put shaft comes out with it and i have to use vice grips to tap the shaft out it also did it with the old clutch the first time

 

[stretchmark]

Ditto was new pilot brg installed? Another possibility is clutch hub is binding on trans input shaft when clutch pedal is depressed. Did tractor halves join back together easily after new clutch was installed?

also does the after market pp need adjusted or are they preadjusted

 

[Jim.ME]

Do you have the service manual for your 1010?

I think you are seeing the drive shaft come out in the clutch disc when you separate the tractor. That is not the input shaft. It is supposed to have a spring in the end towards the transmission to keep it pushed into the pilot bearing. The manual says it must be there for the clutch to work right. Is the spring there?

The clutch disc needs to slide freely on the drive shaft splines. When you say you have to tap the shaft out of the disc, that is not right, it should slip in and out with no binding or drag. Others may disagree but the service manual gives you info on adjusting the pressure plate fingers. I check them to see that they are right.

 

[stretchmark]

yes it does have the spring on the end and i have measured the finger height and it is correct 1 and 3/16th so im gonna clean the splines and get it to where it slides free thanks

 

[trackrat]

if the shaft does not slide freely in the disc you need to use a wire brush to clean up the shaft until it slides freely in the disc

 

[M-MAN]

Better look close to see if the splines are twisted. If so you're going to need a new one.

 

[stretchmark]

thank you very much i started over and really got to looking at things Found out the pilot bearing was to thick and wasnt seating flush plus you were right on the head the clutch disc was not sliding at all found some small burs on the splines took a wire brush cleaned it then used emery cloth and just scuffed it enough the where the disc slid free and it went back together easy and it works thanks everyone for the information