Coyotes

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Coyotes are animals of opportunity. They will come in to an area and clean out all of their prey for food. Once depleted they move to a new area, deplete and then move again. Eventually circling back. This is why you seen them for awhile then they are gone. Same reason you see rabbits populate then dwindle down

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 19:33:29 11/07/23) Paint a fake tunnel entrance on a granite boulder, where you know he travels. Also, a trip rope operated anvil above will help. (sorry, couldn't resist)

I've seen that happen somewhere before and it does seem to work. :wink: Can't remember where I saw it.

This post was edited by Caryc on 11/08/2023 at 03:27 pm.

 

[glennster]

heres a couple yotes. northern yote pelts can bring 30 to 50 per. western yotes around a hundred or so , southern pelts 30 ish depends on quality

 

[dhermesc]

They have tried the flanking trick with our last two dogs - both survived to know never to allow it to happen again. We have picked several off this fall - usually on weekends when the coyotes know the farm is empty with everyone at work the chickens are roaming. But we have lost more chickens than we have shot coyotes.

Trapping them and hunting them is pretty difficult. A tracking dog might help you get one in the daytime but for the most part they are free roaming with few patterns that you can follow. The ones we have gotten were adapting to our patterns to poach chickens (I wish they go after the cats) and only when our pattern changed did they get caught.

 

[DR. EVIL]

I've lived in the country most of my 70 year life, and had never seen a coyote, until 2 weeks ago, nobody close was combining corn or beans, I looked out the glass doors into our back yard, a fairly good sized coyote was walking across the back yard, same place the squirrels run back & forth, he/she turned around and ran back across the easement through the 12 rows of corn and into the neighbor's. I told the wife, we decided we will keep all the dogs inside. Neighbor came in with his brand new green combine, combined 50-60 acres of corn, swapped heads and cut same acreage of beans, about dusk one night the coyote came back, had the wife look into the back yard. She agreed it was a coyote, a pretty good sized one I thought. Neighbor has some corn left standing, bet the coyote has a nest in his field somewhere.
I'd have been about 15 years old, Dad and I were hauling manure about 3/8 mile south of the buildings, had the Super H on the spreader and drove right up within 75 to 100 feet from a fox before he ran off. Was in January I think, one of those warm spells in north/western Illinois. We normally hauled closer to the buildings but there were no fences, gates, or anything in my way.
Only dogs we ever let stay outdoors were St. BERNARDS, I think the one male I grew up with would get the best of a coyote, it sure got the best of a pretty good sized raccoon it trapped in a 2 ft diameter road tube one day, dog grabbed the coon just ahead of it's front shoulders as it ran out the far end of the tube, Dad and I were about 35-40 feet away and all we heard was the snap and crackle of bones breaking, Dog opens it's mouth, coon landed in a pile, didn't even twitch.

 

[Dingo3]

If you can find a Fish Fur and Game magazine it will have a bunch of books on the topic for sale. Great stuff written by people that have been doing it all their lives.

 

[ratface]

Conibear traps are extremely dangerous and have a huge learning curve for the setter. I bought a couple 220s this year for a groundhog problem. You are forbidden to use Conibear traps unless you spend several hours practicing setting and disarming them safely. A 220 will break a 2 inch diameter branch into pieces and do the same to your fingers and hands and wrists. You will need something in the 300 range for a yote and for something this powerful you will need a setter device. There is a rope method to arming them but it requires practice. The issue with a conibear is that unless you are one cool cucumber and have practiced disarming them it is virtually impossible to get the thing off your wrist once they bite you and its easy to get bit unless you have really spent some time with them. You must remember that in all likelihood the trap will catch your dominant hand and leave you in agony trying to remove a trap with just one hand off your other hand, not going to happen. You will be walking down the road with a conibear on your hand praying for someone to drive by. They are frightening and demand great respect and as stated already will kill anything that comes in contact with them , your cat, dog, or grandchild! You legally need to tag them with your name and in some places apply for a permit to set them. I will set some netting around them to keep the dog away when I use them, I have practiced the rope method for setting and disarming them because you can always carry a small length of rope around. The setters are light weight and aluminum but look like a a fireplace pincer for moving logs and are difficult to stick in a pocket or carry around. I strongly advise against a Conibear unless you literally spend an entire day practicing getting one off your wrist in an emergency or better yet never use one alone!

 

[da.bees]

A little time spent calling/luring then shooting as many times as possible can pay big dividens whether you kill any or not. Coyotes responding to cat or small dog destress recording then having lead slung their way make pets less attractive prey. One hunter with rifle and another with 12 guage,plug removed and 5 rounds of high brass #2 buckshot or the like will put the fear in them.
The best ambush I've witnessed was when a friend asked me to bring my 12 guage auto loader to help him. People living in a mobile home park said 3 coyotes showed little fear of their dogs and had killed a few. He staked two roosters near the call box in a drainage ditch about 1/2 mile from homes. The guy had a 25-30 pound dog laying quitly beside blind while calling (chicken destress sound from call box). When yotes came into field 10 yards from roosters and call box,50 yards from deep cover and less than 50 yards from our blind he set the dog on them followed in a few seconds by both guns blazing. One rooster died,the metal box protected call and all 3 yotes escaped but residents in park never saw the yotes again.
Although we didn't recover a dead yote I'm fairly certain some pellets struck them and possibly rifle rounds all of which might have eventually proven lethal but without doubt made and impression that came to mind at the sound of barking dogs.

 

[Hemmjo]

In regard to; I strongly advise against a Conibear unless you literally spend an entire day practicing getting one off your wrist in an emergency...


I am very curious how you would practice getting one off your wrist just one time, let along a whole day?

I totally agree with everything you said, I am just unsure how you would practice that.

 

[glennster]

i dont think the connibear traps are suitable for a coyote. i use the 330 magnum connibear on beaver and get an occasional otter , mink or muskrat. possibly a 440 round body grip may take a yote but it would be difficult set. a #5 bridger long spring or something like an mb 550 4 coil or mb 650 would be a far better choice. or snare sets. connibear work better in water and they need to be stabilized for a successful set.

 

[ratface]

In Reply to HemmJo, Literally you will have to immobilize one hand and see if you can get the trap open with just the other. It's not a matter of pulling the two halves apart because they will not let go unless you can compress the springs which is next to impossible with two good hands on the bigger traps. You need two hands to operate a setter tool even if you had brought it along, the only way I know is with a length of rope and one foot to hold the rope while one hand attaches the rope thru the spring loops and manipulates the proper tie off knot, it takes time to learn that and you will likely be doing it in a state of shock?

 

[Bill(Wis)]

An Irish Wolfhound or a Great Pyrenees will do the trick.

 

[ss55]

Donkeys and llamas are used to protect sheep and goat herds from coyotes and other predators. I don't know if they would keep coyotes away from a farm yard that has no other livestock to protect.

 

[Bill(Wis)]

The US government has a program that will provide a burro out of the southwest to appropriate settings. Farmers here in Wisconsin employ them to keep predators away. Not that a coyote is any physical threat to a 1400 pound animal but they are predators by nature and cows are animals of prey by nature and any coyotes in the neighborhood make cows nervous. I watched a presentation on the subject of using burros. Just know that at times they will start to bray,,,and bray,,,,and bray. Also never have more than one. More than one will result in considerable mischief. Otherwise, they're fairly easy to keep and they will keep coyotes away.

 

[farmersamm]

I really don't want to start an argument............. But what do the coyotes do that they need to be eliminated?

We have many coyotes here. Never lost a calf. We lose more calves to the other cows. They get their necks broken in the feeder upright slats by the bigger cows crowding them.

Had a Pyrenees get killed, but it was going to happen eventually. Too stupid to leave them alone.

On the plus side.................. I don't have mice in my round bales. I leave a good space between rows so that the coyotes have free access. I don't have to dispose of the carcass when a cow, or calf, dies. Just chain them out away from where the others congregate, and the coyotes clean it up in about 3 days.

They're annoying at night, makes the dog go crazy. But that's about it(shrug)

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 18:33:27 11/12/23) I really don't want to start an argument............. But what do the coyotes do that they need to be eliminated?

We have many coyotes here. Never lost a calf. We lose more calves to the other cows. They get their necks broken in the feeder upright slats by the bigger cows crowding them.

Had a Pyrenees get killed, but it was going to happen eventually. Too stupid to leave them alone.

On the plus side.................. I don't have mice in my round bales. I leave a good space between rows so that the coyotes have free access. I don't have to dispose of the carcass when a cow, or calf, dies. Just chain them out away from where the others congregate, and the coyotes clean it up in about 3 days.

They're annoying at night, makes the dog go crazy. But that's about it(shrug)

Some people just don't need an excuse to kill things whether they need it or not. I live in the Lakeview Mountains here and we have coyotes. I have never needed to fire a gun at one. They leave me alone and I leave them alone. They help keep the rabbit and rodent population down.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

They will kill poultry,lambs,goats,calves,small dogs,etc.Yea real great animals to have around a farm.

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 21:46:34 11/12/23) They will kill poultry,lambs,goats,calves,small dogs,etc.Yea real great animals to have around a farm.

So, you like coyotes too?

Need I tell you, I'm not a farmer? I don't have any poultry, lambs, goats, calves, small dogs, etc. I'm also not against a farmer protecting his livestock.

 

[john in la]

Thanks for the advice guys. I can see from some of the replies a conibear trap is not for me. I will now have to investigate a new way to eliminate this pest.

For the people that ask why does it need to be eliminated.

While I have no livestock and I can live with the coyotes keeping check on the feral cats even if I call some of these cats my own. This particular coyote has lost his fear of humans. It has been spotted in my yard no more than 20 feet from my house in the middle of the day. Had he stayed on the thousands of acres of paper timber land that surrounds me and ventured into my yard only at night to steal a easy prey cat we could get along. But since he has been seen in the daytime I fear for my young grandchildren playing in the yard that will see him only as a dog.

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 00:49:00 11/13/23) Thanks for the advice guys. I can see from some of the replies a conibear trap is not for me. I will now have to investigate a new way to eliminate this pest.

For the people that ask why does it need to be eliminated.

While I have no livestock and I can live with the coyotes keeping check on the feral cats even if I call some of these cats my own. This particular coyote has lost his fear of humans. It has been spotted in my yard no more than 20 feet from my house in the middle of the day. [b:ce86aec900]Had he stayed on the thousands of acres of paper timber land that surrounds me and ventured into my yard only at night to steal a easy prey cat we could get along. But since he has been seen in the daytime I fear for my young grandchildren playing in the yard that will see him only as a dog.[/b:ce86aec900]

Very understandable.