Deckover, dove tail vs. straight

[bud from bc]

Deck over with a beavertail and ramps get's my vote

 

[Destroked 450]

I have a 20+5 gooseneck with folding ramps
20ft flat with 5 ft dive tail and 5 ft folding ramps
I really like the trailer but sometimes when my back is acting up those spring assisted ramps still get heavy
I d love to have a 20+10 hydraulic dove tail but they are a bit pricy and you rarely see on with under 18k rating

For what your doing I d go with a low deck and drive over ramps to keep the load low and the ramps short
I had a 10k low deck with 18 ft deck and 2 ft dive for hauling my skid steer. Loved the trailer and the way it handled but it was to light for the machine

No way I d have a straight deck with those long ramps, ramps that are strong enough to handle any weight are also heavy to handle

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

(quoted from post at 19:05:10 04/07/23) I looked at the driver-over fender trailers, they were really close to the deck-over price-wise, and I'm not sure I've ever seen one used.

They're not common. Every manufacturer makes a lowboy and every manufacturer makes a deckover, but only a few make buggy haulers, and even fewer make heavy rated buggy haulers.

Buggy haulers have the same distance between fenders as a lowboy, so you've got to have ramps on the deck to get your rear wheels past the fenders. You also can't really park the tractor with the rear wheels centered over the axles like you would on a flat decked trailer. So they're kind of limiting which is why they're not terribly popular with tractor folks.

There are also beavertail trailers with decks you can lift to make them level with the rest of the trailer, OR have ramps that flip over and become part of the flat deck.

Additionally there are deckovers with hydraulic beavertails, and tilt-deck deckovers. Of course cost and weight go up the more complicated you get.

 

[Eldon (WA)]

(quoted from post at 04:56:13 04/08/23) Just for the record, since I wasn't clear.

I'm looking for a 10k trailer (avoids inspections here in Maine), 20' long.

I have enough truck to go over 10k, but I don't see myself going larger than the Super M weight-wise.

I'm leaning deck-over dove tail at the moment.

K

I would get a 12 or 14k beaver tail deckover and have them de-rate to 10k before registering it. You will get a lot better built trailer than a flimsy 10k....I buy my 14k trailers de-rated to 12,900 to avoid the cdl requirement with my one ton dually.

 

[timcasbolt]

A dovetail is a completely different shape. It sounds like you are describing a beavertail.

 

[Rich'sToys]

Here is mine. Originally home made to haul a small dozer. Only drawback is I have to manhandle the ramps into place, but it gets the job done. In recent years I haven't hauled as much as I used to, so it's no big deal.

 

[Scott 730]

(quoted from post at 10:00:22 04/09/23)

I would get a 12 or 14k beaver tail deckover and have them de-rate to 10k before registering it.

What is this de rating you speak of? Who is "them" that does the de rating?

 

[Eldon (WA)]

(quoted from post at 17:00:41 04/09/23)

(quoted from post at 10:00:22 04/09/23)

I would get a 12 or 14k beaver tail deckover and have them de-rate to 10k before registering it.

What is this de rating you speak of? Who is "them" that does the de rating?

You can have the manufacturer (or dealer) de-rate the trailer to 10k, of course you can not cross a scale with the trailer loaded more than that. When I ordered my PJ 22' deckover trailer I asked that it be de-rated so I could stay under the 26k CGVWR of my dually (13025#) and trailer (12,900#) = 25,925#. I bought a new dump trailer off the lot and had the dealer order a new sticker for it that I just put over the top of the 14k sticker, but this must be done before applying for title. I found that a lot of hot shot truckers do this so they can run without a CDL. As a side note, if you pull a 10k trailer, the tow vehicle can have a GVWR of 26k and you would still be legal without a CDL even though you could haul 36k GCVWR.

 

[kopeck]

(quoted from post at 17:25:56 04/09/23)

(quoted from post at 17:00:41 04/09/23)

(quoted from post at 10:00:22 04/09/23)

I would get a 12 or 14k beaver tail deckover and have them de-rate to 10k before registering it.

What is this de rating you speak of? Who is "them" that does the de rating?

You can have the manufacturer (or dealer) de-rate the trailer to 10k, of course you can not cross a scale with the trailer loaded more than that. When I ordered my PJ 22' deckover trailer I asked that it be de-rated so I could stay under the 26k CGVWR of my dually (13025#) and trailer (12,900#) = 25,925#. I bought a new dump trailer off the lot and had the dealer order a new sticker for it that I just put over the top of the 14k sticker, but this must be done before applying for title. I found that a lot of hot shot truckers do this so they can run without a CDL. As a side note, if you pull a 10k trailer, the tow vehicle can have a GVWR of 26k and you would still be legal without a CDL even though you could haul 36k GCVWR.

Interesting. I didn't know you could do that. I was looking at a 14k trailer a few years back that a friend wanted to sell me. I passed for two reasons; one is I thought the 14k would push me into CDL territory, and the other is they didn't have a title. Really the title thing was the killer. My friend got the trailer as payment for a job that his customer couldn't pay. The guy ended up passing away shortly after that, and no one knew where the title went. I talked to the state in depth about what I could do, and it really came down to there was no straightforward way to register the thing. There were some pretty "grey" methods, but I really didn't want to go there.

K

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 09:38:48 04/09/23) A dovetail is a completely different shape. It sounds like you are describing a beavertail.

I didn't know that it was a matter of shape I thought it was a cultural thing. Equipment and construction people usually seem to have always called them beavertails but in more recent times "dovetail" seems to have crept in among younger yuppie types.

 

[timcasbolt]

(quoted from post at 15:42:54 04/10/23)

(quoted from post at 09:38:48 04/09/23) A dovetail is a completely different shape. It sounds like you are describing a beavertail.

I didn't know that it was a matter of shape I thought it was a cultural thing. Equipment and construction people usually seem to have always called them beavertails but in more recent times "dovetail" seems to have crept in among younger yuppie types.

used tooling in screw machine manufacturing that had a dovetail shape, but it was far more common in woodworking and furniture manufacturing.

 

[Eldon (WA)]

(quoted from post at 16:19:20 04/10/23)

(quoted from post at 15:42:54 04/10/23)

(quoted from post at 09:38:48 04/09/23) A dovetail is a completely different shape. It sounds like you are describing a beavertail.

I didn't know that it was a matter of shape I thought it was a cultural thing. Equipment and construction people usually seem to have always called them beavertails but in more recent times "dovetail" seems to have crept in among younger yuppie types.

used tooling in screw machine manufacturing that had a dovetail shape, but it was far more common in woodworking and furniture manufacturing.

Hey I have a dovetail jig, can I make a trailer with it LOL!

 

[kopeck]

(quoted from post at 13:42:54 04/10/23)

(quoted from post at 09:38:48 04/09/23) A dovetail is a completely different shape. It sounds like you are describing a beavertail.

I didn't know that it was a matter of shape I thought it was a cultural thing. Equipment and construction people usually seem to have always called them beavertails but in more recent times "dovetail" seems to have crept in among younger yuppie types.

Same here. I thought Beaver Tail was a brand, but I think it was confusing things with Eager Beaver.

That being said, I've seen dealers use both names for a slanted rear deck trailer.

K

 

[timcasbolt]

From Wikipedia: A dovetail joint or simply dovetail is a joinery technique most commonly used in woodworking joinery (carpentry), including furniture, cabinets,[1] log buildings, and traditional timber framing. Noted for its resistance to being pulled apart, also known as tensile strength, the dovetail joint is commonly used to join the sides of a drawer to the front. A series of pins cut to extend from the end of one board interlock with a series of 'tails' cut into the end of another board. The pins and tails have a trapezoidal shape. Once glued, a wooden dovetail joint requires no mechanical fasteners.

 

[VicS]

I'm going to ignore the Dovetail remarks.
In my part of the world everyone knows
what a dovetail trailer is. And I am 77. I
started with a 16' utility trailer about 6
,1/2 ft. Inside the wheel wells. With
ramps. Then went to a tilting car hauler
trailer about 7 between the wheel wells.
Really liked it for what it could haul.
Then next a 20 and 5 14000 lb. Gooseneck.
Deck over. Had spring loaded ramps that
when folded made a flat 25' deck. I messed
with the springs till the ramps would just
barely go down. But you had to scoot them
in and out. And drive a narrow front on
and off at a angle. Then 2 yrs. Ago I had
enough. Got a 27' hyd tilt 14000 lb.
Gooseneck with rubber suspension and a hyd
jack. With wireless remote. Also my son
paid to get the gooseneck raised so a 6 ft
6 person could walk under it and
impossible to bend your tailgate if you
forget to shut it. Also 14ply tires. It's
a Corn Pro. Brand. And its 102 wide. Has
a solar panel to charge the battery. At
the tractor pulls always take my truck to
the Motel because it's so easy to hook and
unhook. With a weed hook I can do it from
the ground.

 

[buickanddeere]

(quoted from post at 10:24:51 04/08/23) You can get rid of all your worry's of loading and unloading your tractors by putting a Badland 12,00lb winch on your trailer. They are not that expensive and you
can even get a remote to operate the winch right from the tractor seat. I use mine all the time that way.

I agree . Professionals and business s use a winch to load and unload trailers .
Upsets and roll overs regularly occur but nobody admits to or talks about them .

 

[kopeck]

So I made a decision.

2019 10k, 20' (16'/4) Resier.

It's in nice shape, and I got it at a price I could live with.

One of the selling points was that the only difference between the 10k and the heavier trailers is the axels, so while I'm legally limited, there's some piece of mind that this isn't a "flimsy" trailer like someone one else mentioned. Also, if I really did want a 12k trailer, I could install heavier axels and get it re-rated.

I'm pretty happy. Now I just need to build a center ramp.

K

This post was edited by kopeck on 04/24/2023 at 07:09 am.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 07:03:16 04/24/23) So I made a decision.

2019 10k, 20' (16'/4) Resier.

It's in nice shape, and I got it at a price I could live with.

One of the selling points was that the only difference between the 10k and the heavier trailers is the axels, so while I'm legally limited, there's some piece of mind that this isn't a "flimsy" trailer like someone one else mentioned. Also, if I really did want a 12k trailer, I could install heavier axels and get it re-rated.

I'm pretty happy. Now I just need to build a center ramp.

K

This post was edited by kopeck on 04/24/2023 at 07:09 am.

Yes, that is one HEAVY DUTY looking trailer!