Discers

[Wyatt-The-Ih-Guy]

I know a decent amount about the discers one way seeder as people say but I would like some more info on them. I know that lots of farms have them sitting in the back 40. I know where I live people say they went to deep in sandy soils even though ours didn t, and parts are obsolete for them. I m looking at 2 international 300 s at an action everything work on them and they were kept in a barn when the owner died the kids didn t want them. I know parts aren t the easiest to find and I want to know what a reasonable price would be to pay, i would also appreciate if you guys could leave info on why they stopped production and why no one uses them.

 

[SVcummins]

A tandem disk is a lot easier to use just for the fact
that you don?t have to go one way like you would
with a disk tiller and that?s especially handy in odd
shaped fields that could be one of the big reasons
you don?t see them as much anymore

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

yes easier to use but a tandem disk does not do the same job as a one-way,, discer if equipped with seeder attachment, I have used one over Lots of acres,, but that one was built too light and I had axle problems with it until I finally gave it away, it was a 20' JD one,, I now have a Case model 110 discer/seeder it has a much better design with small gangs of blades instead of one long shaft like the Deere one had,, each tool has a place but they are not even close to the same in work done or use lol

 

[rrlund]

There's a discer museum in Rouleau Saskatchewan isn't there? If it's still open,they could probably answer a lot of questions.

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

The reason they became so popular where they did was speed of planting in the spring time,, I would have to say the advancements in drills in the early 70's was the reason they fell out of favor,, but just a educated guess. I gave 300 for mine and another 300 freight to get it across into the USA. I felt I got a great deal,, here is the same model as mine with a squadron hitch which allows two to be pulled at a time,, in 1967 this was a very good sized unit hope that helps a bit
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[Leroy]

In my part of the country you never worked ground first time over and planted same day. I has a disk tiller for a while and it would not cut through straw, just ride over. Worked good in newly cleared ground

 

[SVcummins]

I know they are not the same but without the seed boxes you just have large single action disk that you can only go one way around the field I?ve never seen one in real life with the seed boxes I had a John Deere and an international both on steel wheels neither had seed boxes their use to be one on every rock pile around here but when the 250$ a ton scrap hit all the rock piles and fence lines and ditch banks got pretty much cleaned out. I would like to find a John Deere on rubber tires someday

 

[SVcummins]

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

the one I had was 21' cut and made in the 70's rubber tires

 

[SVcummins]

I?d like a small one like 10 or 12 like I had . I?m trying to put together a collection of dry farm implements that would be used in the 50s and 60s . I have lz hoe drills and and a single shank pan breaker and a John Deere 100 tool carrier need a one way now and a rod weeder

 

[Farmallb]

Ive never heard of them being named as discers. It was either a disc, or a one way disc. Even my smell check came up when I wrote discers lol

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

I used to know where there several JD rod weeders here,, all have been scraped sadly I am afraid those farms are gone now,, the one I had worked well but it could not take rocks,,

 

[SVcummins]

That?s what?s nice about the case you posted those short gangs make it easy to change a blade if a rock breaks one . It?s getting to where all the old implements have been scrapped it?s to bad because they will never make more. Then I?d like to find a blade plow or the blade plow attachment for my 100 tool carrier

 

[GreenEnvy]

We called them one ways here. The internet is the only plane I?ve heard discers.

 

[SVcummins]

The Canadians all call them discers

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

the JD one I had never broke blades it would bend/break the main shaft I changed out a couple of them,, heck of a job and spendy even int he 70's to buy

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

Discers and one way's are made different same basic idea but not made the same,, there is also disc plows again same basic design but a lot of dif in how strong they are made and what they do,,

 

[Leroy]

So what in the diskers and oneways compair to what IHC and JD called disk tillers in all manuals and litature? I used to own a John Deere disk tiller about 8' and all steel wheels with heavy cast weights, rope lift. And I do know the difference between that disk tiller and a disk plow. And the difference in those 2 implements in work they will do is like day and night. Here in Ohio you would never work ground and plant in same day let alone same pass across field. And I have also owned an offset disk.

 

[DR. EVIL]

You say a tandem disk doesn't do the same job as these one-way seeders, In what way? Dad and the neighbor we traded help with both sowed 40 acres of oats every spring, as did about every one of our neighbors. Most did things the same way we did, risked 8-9 rows of old corn stalks, skipped one, disked 8-9 more. The undisked row was the marker row to drive the endgate seeder wagon, Dad had the IH #5 endgate seeder. I drove tractor pulling seeder wagon, Dad rode in seeder wagon filling hoppers of oats and grass seed. Neighbor started disking as soon as I was half way across field on first round. When we were done seeding I started disking too. Easy to get 80 acres done in a day. When we were done disking them in I'd hook up to the 24 ft peg-tooth harrow to smooth the fields out since 20 acres was next year's hay field and other 20 was hog pasture, lots of traffic in both fields. Some years we sowed bin-run oats, other years used cleaned oats from seed company in town, Just curious how how a one-way "Disker" was better or worse than two passes with a tandem disk. It's all about getting seed into the ground and growing as fast and accurately as possible for the lowest cost per acre.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 10:52:05 01/03/20) So what in the diskers and oneways compair to what IHC and JD called disk tillers in all manuals and litature?

IMHO the only difference with the implement called disker & disk tiller is the location of the implement. JD disk tillers & Surflex's had the option of seed boxes similar to disker's

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

a tandem disc or as some call them a disc harrow moves dirt right and left outward on the front gang and the rear does the opposite,, a one-way or the lighter made version a discer as some call them roll the soil over like a plow and or a disc plow does, not the same job done by both other than they both "move dirt" for the job you speak of any thing moving dirt would do the job, you speak of doing it faster and cheaper,, a discer seeder is by far light years ahead of the multiple passes you speak of,, you created you have at least three passes over the field, so 3times the compaction just from wheels alone, then you are talking at least two more people doing the job,, so twice the cost in man power or more, the extra passes create more compaction also so again that figure goes up,, and you have brought some seed up by using the disc and harrow rather than leaving it all at the uniform seeding depth the discer/seeder would produce,, I understand using what tools you have for sure,, but to claim the way you speak of is faster/cheaper and in the end better is just not true,, when I plant a crop I shoot for uniform seed depth and seed placement, speed of getting the job done, and savings of soil moisture, all of which a discer/seeder does very well, a packer was hooked to them for most jobs to make a firm seed bed to even make a better job. and this is all done my one man not three or more like you are speaking of. Of course soil conditions and area where the crops are grown matter also,, where discers/seeders where used a lot like me they get very limited H20,, and time is critical for the crops to produce as well as they can and you do not make three to four extra trips across a field packing it, turning the soil to powder and wasting h20 if you can do anything to help it,, I can see you have never used a one-way or discer from your comments thinking they do the same job,, I am guessing because you see they both have disc blades they do the same job sorry they do not,,

 

[SVcummins]

 

[SVcummins]

Changing gang bolts Is not fun especially one 22 feet long

 

[Tx Jim]

What brand/model plow are you referring to with a 22' disk shaft?

It certainly couldn't be a JD surflex as they came with 5 disks with 10'' spacing or 7 disks with 8'' spacing per disk shaft depending on model.

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

it was a jd one way not a surflex,, took it on trade at the Case dealership on a new Case off-set disc,, it was almost new when it came in,, about 1972 time frame it indeed had one long axle shaft I should know had the darn thing apart enough times it also had 26 " disc blades at least,, never seen another one around here like it, square tube box frame,, this one must have had 25 blades on it maybe more, never been a jd guy and this and the 22' tandem disc we took on the same trade made me dislike them even more, it was a BMD or something like that had hand fold up winds built very light and was broken from one corner to the other and had a main frame center tube replaced when it came in,, it was green and yellow and said JD on it, no clue if they made it or had it made,, other than the worthless kneverland pull-type 6-16" plow we had I was never so glad to see implements leave the farm,,

 

[Tx Jim]

Case Nutty 1660
More than likely the JD disk harrow with manual fold up wings you're referring to was a model BW,BWN,BWF or BWA. Other than a Surflex the only other JD disk tiller that I can think of is a model F810H pictured below but they didn't have that long of a disk shaft.

I'll agree other equipment manufacturers built better more reliable tillage tools than JD

 

[rustred]

not so, we call them one ways for as long as I have known. have seen many sell on auctions. the scrap guys buy them cheap cheap !

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

Built similar to that one,, LH caster wheel looks about the same, mine had a straight disc blade behind the tail wheel you used a lever to snap it in the ground with,, I used it on a lot of acres,, as then I had four different farms with about every kind of soil we have to deal with, the sandy/lighter ground it worked real well in,, the heavy gumbo,, well we always made the comment it would "try to outrun you" when it got a bit to big of bite in that,, my Dad was raised on a farm in Colorado and they had sand to farm,, they used one ways a lot there,, all smaller ones like you posted though, 9/10/12' ones is what they had,, BWF maybe was the # on the disc,, it did have big single flotation tires,, also had the double row gang bearings,, those always seemed high priced to me,, I know we kept it because it was we had little hard cash in it so I cant really complain too much,, wish I had a pic of it today,, it was as i remember a bigger heavier made one than I had seen from them before or since,, but it sure did not like rocks not way no how,, the front blades before the bearing would catch one and snap the shaft right off,, we tried having it welded then it would nto have good temper and would bend at the first thing,, so I would replace the shaft, Ugly job lol I am thinking the spacing on it was 10" give or take it was wider than a normal tandem disc had, more like a off set,, but where it ran at a great angle it rolled the dirt over decent if you could keep the tail planted the Case model 110 Discer/Seeder I posted is not as big a cut as the JD was the Case is 15' and was built heavier than a discer/seeder is,, Case also made them both ways

 

[Tx Jim]

The JD F810H had the rear steel wheel shown below that operator let down in field to help hold rear of plow to try to keep it from kicking out.

 

[Case Nutty 1660]

that looks like the same linkage type

 

[SVcummins]

I sure wish I knew where to find one