doing a survey,

[William S]

"Safety wiring, pal nuts, cotter pins on nuts, is WWII technology. no self respecting shop uses any of that stuff in the last forty years."

How many people out there agree or disagree with the above statement. A simple yes or no will do.
I appreciate your help with this survey.

William

 

[DoubleO7]

NO

And where ever that was said is wrong.

Just ask the FAA

 

[rossow (mn)]

No.

 

[old]

"Safety wiring, pal nuts, cotter pins on nuts, is WWII technology. no self respecting shop uses any of that stuff in the last forty years."

How many people out there agree or disagree with the above statement. A simple yes or no will do.
I appreciate your help with this survey.

William

NO

 

[Duner Wi]

No

 

[wore out]

"Safety wiring, pal nuts, cotter pins on nuts, is WWII technology. no self respecting shop uses any of that stuff in the last forty years."

How many people out there agree or disagree with the above statement. A simple yes or no will do.
I appreciate your help with this survey.

William

NO!

 

[Jerry9N]

No.

 

[HarryVanderpool]

NO!

 

[OldBlue61]

No.

 

[HCooke]

NO!

 

[showcrop]

And here we have a great lesson in how to steer sentiment in the direction you want through proper elimination of context!

 

[teddy52food]

NO!

 

[William S]

And here we have a great lesson in how to steer sentiment in the direction you want through proper elimination of context!

it's a block party.

 

[William S]

For what it is worth, I'll let this survey go for a week or so, comments are ok. Mainly I wanted to see what the survey shows one way or another. Thank You for your time spent responding to this post/survey. William

 

[wore out]

And here we have a great lesson in how to steer sentiment in the direction you want through proper elimination of context!

 

[Dan]

Your question states "self respecting shop" - I assume this means a professional shop(?) If so, many top end shops still use safety wire on certain applications. Pal nuts, probably not so much. The invention of Locktite has replaced some of this due to convenience and speed (time is money to a professional shop) - however, there is no way I would skip the WWII type locking wire on the rear axle nut of my 8N torqued to 450 ft. lbs by using Locktite, even red.

 

[8NChris]

No

 

[Btzj02]

I will have to admit I used new Pal nuts on my last rebuild just because I could. I am not a professional so I thought I would just do what the shop manual said to do!

 

[rossow (mn)]

"Safety wiring, pal nuts, cotter pins on nuts, is WWII technology. no self respecting shop uses any of that stuff in the last forty years."

How many people out there agree or disagree with the above statement. A simple yes or no will do.
I appreciate your help with this survey.

William

I recently had to take a tiny wheel/tire off of my mini-tiller. After trying gently to remove the pal nut, I finally tore the thing off with a vise grip and drilled the axle so I could use a washer and cotter pin. Never a future problem with that end of the axle.

 

[William S]

I want to Thank You all for your responses to my survey. For me I go by what is suggested here and directed in the various manuals when doing repairs on my tractor. I feel that I am far from an expert in these repairs and someone did go through a lot of time and effort to come to these final ways of repairing and servicing these tractors. Sure some of these practices may be old and have modern replacements and without proper testing and study I can't say which is better than the other.

As I stated the practices in the manuals have been studied and tested not only by the manufacturers engineers but by the people who work/worked on these tractors ever since. Being that is true, I will continue to default to what is stated in those documents and as directed by those here that are far more qualified than I. I am unable to say whether any one practice is right or wrong, unless it is compared to the manuals and established one way or the other. What rings true in one persons mind may not be so in another for whatever reason.

I myself don't agree with the statement above, just to say that 80 years of repairing tractors is outdated by machinists due to Locktite doesn't meet the threshold for re-writing the way we do things. And if someone here had not told me that I should use Locktite I would not have done so. As for the machinist I take this as a lesson to clearly layout just what is to happen to the engine while they rebuild it. Handshakes are nice but pen and paper last longer than a tail light guarantee.

I Thank You for your time spent on this. William