DOT

[T in NE]

Talked to dad back in Pennsylvania last night. He was making placards with company name and DOT numbers for his dump truck. Said anything over 17 thousand they are requiring dot number, cdl, drug testing, etc, even his one-man excavation business.
Someone in the area with a 3/4 ton truck borrowed a gooseneck and rented a bobcat to do some yard work for his sister and ended up with over $21,000 in fines. Over 17 thousand combined gvwr, with no cdl, not registered combination, no commercial insurance, no med card, no dot number.
The bushturds sure do want their cut don't they?

 

[casenut1]

They don't want anybody to be self-sufficient anymore.

 

[Billy NY]

I just had my D.O.T. physical,passed no problem, no exceptions, can drive interstate etc. They took a urine sample, but it was not for drug testing. I thought that was a company thing, not a state or federal requirement. I'm just curious as to where that comes into play, as most if not all companies have pre-employment screening and likely random testing, but I thought that was company related, is there FMSCA stipulations on that for a CDL ? Not that it matters, but there is a side of it that seems a bit invasive.

 

[rrlund]

I went online and tried to apply for one for my 3/4 ton and gooseneck trailers. There's a questionnaire to fill out first and it said I didn't need one. I don't know what's gonna happen if I ever get pulled over by somebody with a different opinion.

 

[Steve A W]

Back when it first came out it was 26,001 lbs,
When did that change?

 

[moresmoke]

Urine sample for the DOT physical is to check for diabetes. Sleep apnea, high blood pressure, and diabetes are the red flags they are looking for these days.

 

[Sprint 6]

Any truck over 10K GVW or GCVW requires a DOT number on the side of the truck and a valid med card to operate. Over 26K requires all that and a CDL. My FIL found this out the hard way when he bought a new truck for his one man plumbing business that is rated for 10,200. Sooner or later the states are going to find out about this possible boon for income because every dually truck is rated for over 10K and technically requires a DOT number.

 

[rustyfarmall]

An Iowa highway patrolman told me I didn't need a CDL for a pickup truck and trailer. I tried to explain to her that the truck is a one ton dually, and the trailer is a flatbed gooseneck, with a potential of going over the 26,001 pounds rule. She still insisted I did NOT need a CDL. I told her "thank you", and went on my way. I will NOT take her at her word.

 

[Michael Price]

I live in michigan and a few years ago I noticed all these DOT numbers popping up on all these 3/4ton pickups. I figured the state started doing something like this.

 

[john *.?-!.* cub owner]

(quoted from post at 12:57:29 01/27/15) I went online and tried to apply for one for my 3/4 ton and gooseneck trailers. There's a questionnaire to fill out first and it said I didn't need one. I don't know what's gonna happen if I ever get pulled over by somebody with a different opinion.

suggest printing off that replay and putting it in your folder with registration,, insurance, etc. and make sure it is dated.

 

[rrlund]

There's a plan. Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

 

[tim s]

They really don't care if you are blind,crippled or crazy as long as you jump through the right hoops and pay the registration fees...and if you talk to 10 different people, professional or other wise you will get that many different answers, we no longer live in a free country...

 

[sms]

Also any commercial combination over 10K needs DOT numbers. If you only haul your own stuff like your old tractor on a trailer you should be ok.

 

[old]

Can not say what it is where you are but here in Missouri you can drive any truck that has the F on the tag meaning farm and not have a CDL. And I mean even an 18 wheeler. As long as your not for hire and farm use. Not that I have to worry about that since I carry a Class A CDL with almost all endorsements on it

 

[GordoSD]

Wouldn't a Class A CDL with all endorsement be a long paper trail?

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Indiana is working on a new law allowing farm trucks be overweight up to 10% and not get fined.

I also found another interesting read about farm trucks only.
interesting read

 

[AG in IN]

(quoted from post at 02:19:08 01/28/15) Indiana is working on a new law allowing farm trucks be overweight up to 10% and not get fined.

I also found another interesting read about farm trucks only.
interesting read

As I understand it, 80K +10% hauling grain from from the field, or from the farm to point of sale with a semi and trailer has been legal for years (maybe forever?) in Indiana.

I've never heard of the 30K plate thing.

AG

 

[Sprint 6]

In IN, you have to be listed as an owner of the farm the truck is owned by to get by without a CDL in a semi. AFAIK

 

[john in la]

Your urine sample was for a blood sugar test.

The drug test is separate.
There is a federal law that states companies must drug test CDL drivers;
Pre employment §382.301
Post accident §382.303
Random §382.305
Reasonable suspicion §382.307
If you fail you have to completed the return to duty process with a DOT-qualified substance abuse professional and be tested again to make sure you are clean.

These same rules apply even if you are a one man company.

 

[john in la]

That rule became law in April of 2010 and he is just getting around to doing it. I would say the DOT enforcement in Pa must be pretty lax.
FACT SHEET

 

[T in NE]

Here in Nebraska we can run an extra 10 percent during harvest up to 70 miles, from field to bin or field to market. Unless it's a dry edible bean then you can travel up to 140, if you have to go farther you can pay for a permit for the route you would take. Just have to fill out and carry a form stating who owns the crop where it was picked up and where it's going. They figured out a few years ago since you had to pay for it hardly anyone got it, and they weren't charging enough to cover costs, so they just decided to make it a free permit.

Dad said the firm he went through for the DOT number and testing claims the state figured out they were running pickups and goosenecks where they are drilling the Marcellus to get around some of the regulations so the state changed the weights they are enforcing all this at. They are doing the same things on the bakken but they get away with it up there due to not having enough law enforcement to go after them. When I was in Tioga you'd see a half ton pulling a utility trailer with a half dozen slip tanks strapped on it to get around cdl and hazmat rules.
Pretty sad when you can't even rent a loader and haul it home to do something instead of hiring it all done. But they don't get their cut when you do that.


And people wonder why I moved to ---Nebraska---

 

[T in NE]

Other than getting your tank dipped every few years they didn't bother the little guy too much as long as you weren't being stupid and kept your equipment up. But unemployment and poor wages are catching up to them and the casino's aren't the cure-all they were supposed to be. Plus you still have to pay 6 guys to lean on their shovels and watch one do all the work on highway projects. And you can't have nonunion guys underbidding the union outfits.