early 560 ???

[JRSutton]

According the serial number on my 560, it's a 1958.

58 being the first year they made them, I've been consistently surprised that my tractor always seems to not fit the "early model" classification as I read through manuals and order parts on line.

For instance - I have a clutch type PTO. I have the linkage for the teledepth, not the cable. Every time I read "early models use this or that" it seems not to apply to mine.

Is there a sure fire way, other than the serial number, to determine the "model year" of a 560?

I can't imagine the serial number tag was changed - there were clearly no attempts in the past to restore this tractor. I CAN imagine parts were changed out over time with new parts - but I didn't think the clutch/planetary pto's were interchangeable. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

Thoughts?

 

[cornerpost]

Think the pot units swap but pto drive and driven gears up front differ.

 

[ihcowner]

Look at the casting dates on the major castings, they should end in D for 1958.

 

[the tractor vet]

Don't kknow about your 560 , but i had at one time a real early 460 and i mean early S/N was 571 . In other words the seventh tractor off the line . And it had a linkage tel a depth but a planetary PTO , but if at one time someone changed the input and the driver PTo gears then you could go with a clutch PTO. Also maybe at one time that that tractor got broke in half and they changed the center section with and older center section , case in point here the 806 that i have now was involved in a wreck and was broke in half and Billy Bod and Jimmy Jo used a 706 center section and put it back together , You can see chain marks on the hood road rash on the left fender and it is bent up a bit left rear wheel casting is a little brighter paint then the right one along with the left axle housing , now maybe i am cheating here but i removed the 706 tag and found a early 806 in a bone yard and removed that tag and replaced it on mine as i know mine is and early 806 . But what if i sell it and someone goes for parts and does not know what he is working on , this way when he is asked for a S/N he will get the correct parts , Main difference on them is for the engine . And with tractors unless it is completely destroyed into little bitty pieces you can fix rebuild and put it back to work . So unless you bought it off the Org. owner and he gave you proof of what all has been done to it over the years one has no idea of what that tractor has gone thru . I have seen more then once a tractor was hit smashed into several pieces and glued back together either by the org owner or someone that has the mind set that I CAN FIX that. I personally have done two for guys that thought that they got a DEAL , until they get the bill. Last one i did was a 1066 that was hit many years back by a loaded coal bucket . That tractor sat back off the road by the farmer barn for years and nothing was done to it as the battle in courts went on . at one point i even stopped by to see if i could buy it and was told NO . years past and i forgot about it . One day a man and his sone stopped by to see if i had a 1066 for sale and at that moment i did not but i was going out to a couple sales the next day and told them that i could have them one by the end of the week and gave them a ball park price of a go to the field ready nice 1066 . well they did not like my price so ok fine not a problem that leaves me with that much more to spend on not one tractor but two . About a month or so later they show up and want to know how much to do a clutch and T/A on a 1066 . I gave them a written estimate on JUST the clutch and T/A and it was a vary fair price , but i told them up ft. that IF we found something that needed to be repaired that was in the range transmission then the price of those parts would be added but no extra labor as i was already in there. OK come and get it . That was the start of the never ending job . when i went to pick up that tractor i about fell over , it was the busted up 1066 that someone had glued back together it was so Mickey moused all of you would have had to seen it to believe it . The nightmare started on the vary first bolt when it twisted off and each and every bolt there after twisted off even the eight bolts that healed the speed trans to the rear end , dash support was healed on with 1/4 x 1 flat strap and 1/4 inch bolts threaded into the castings. speed transmission shift rod was welded to the coupler and the second pin was welded in Main wiring harness was ripped in half and only one hot wire to the starter switch and one wire to the starter . But hey i gave him a price on the clutch and T/A i have to live with it. After fighting with this hunk of iron for three days i have the torque housing hanging on my stand and start taking it apart and as soon as i opened it up i stopped and i did not call him i went down to his place ad told him he needed to come up and look even before i remove one more piece . Every gear in the speed transmission was JUNK both shafts were JUNK . So he came down and i told him that from here on anything OVER the Clutch and T/A was on the clock. So comes the big Pow wow and i get told JUST FIX IT . So when it rolled out the door they had basicly a NEW 1066 and for what they had in that one they could have bought THREE 1066 off of me . So just how much do you want to put into a tractor . When do you run up the WHITE FLAG ???

 

[Janicholson]

Trans driven PTO was an Option. Jim

 

[JRSutton]

Good idea - I forgot all about casting codes.

I'm too lazy to get fully dressed right now, I ran out in socks and t-shirt to check (and yes, pants too) - the paint's so thick and flakey it's hard to read them. The transmission code is E -suggesting a 59

I'll bet it was either the center ta section that was swapped out (that has the serial tag on it), or the entire back end. It should be obvious once I find the other codes.

Interesting.

I don't really care either way, as long as it all works, but that would certainly explain my confusion with the manuals.

Thanks for the input guys.

 

[CenTex Farmall]

Dad once had an M that had a torque tube and serial number from 46 but everything else was date coded around 1950. That one part had been swapped.

 

[JRSutton]

yeah, a lot can happen to a tractor in fifty or sixty years.

As I just posted below, I'm now suspecting this is a 59 with a 58 TA section, so I think you're right about a major component swap out.

The good news is - somebody else took care of all the swapping. This thing runs strong and it works well enough, they seemed to know what they were doing. So that's all that matters to me.

 

[D Slater]

Serial 19028 was the first F-560 factory change over to clutch type PTO drive.

 

[George 3]

(quoted from post at 19:56:04 02/19/16) Serial 19028 was the first F-560 factory change over to clutch type PTO drive.

As for the cable Tele Depth vs linkage setup, IH made a kit available somewhere around 1960 to convert the tractor from the cable to the linkage setup. My 460 that I had 30 years ago was one of those that was converted.

As for the PTO the tractor may have been ordered without a PTO and one was added later when only the clutch type was available. Just one possibility.

 

[Donald in MN]

i dont know if this will help but the early 460 /560 had the pto levers with the round rod in the handle to put them in gear like the 350/450. the later ones had the square shaft in the middle of the handle like the 504.