Fall cattle prices

[TheBartman47]

Or who remembers the late 70s with "The Incredible Edible Egg" (and a reprise in the mid 90s of the same slogan)... cycles

 

[paul]

The milk mustaches a few decades ago. Seems everyone has a check off these days, they get into promotions off and on.

Rrlund, I’m not sure what you are asking of me.

Paul

 

[rrlund]

The milk mustaches a few decades ago. Seems everyone has a check off these days, they get into promotions off and on.

Rrlund, I’m not sure what you are asking of me.

Paul

No offense intended at all, I just wondered if you have cattle? I don't know where the information you posted came from. It sounds like most of what you listed pertains to Canadian dairy, not American beef.

 

[paul]

I’ve had 5-30 head for my farming career, towards the lower end currently.

I need to fill out the animal unit permit plan and be inspected every 5 years, they are letting me get by without a manure plan so far but if I had more animals or less land I’d need it for sure.

You need a ‘relationship’ ($$$$ per year) with a vet to get any type of animal drugs, down to medicated milk replacer.

Need that beq (is it?) paperwork to sell to some buyers at the sales barn. It’s less of a deal now I think than it originally was, but it sure was a deal early on.

Dairy neighbor has to be inspected for animal welfare once a year this non farm inspector can shut him down if he feels like it. In addition to the regular milk inspector. This welfare stuff applies to his calves/ feeders since on the same farm. I’m sure it’s on the horizon for all beef or critters?

Neighbor got inspected because ‘he didn’t keep manure far enough away from a tile intake.’ But then the inspector couldn’t say what field, where, so it appeared to be a witch hunt, but it still was a tough confrontational situation with regulatory threats. My neighbor couldn’t ’show the inspector where’ because my neighbor had no idea what it was about.

Paul

 

[rrlund]

I’ve had 5-30 head for my farming career, towards the lower end currently.

I need to fill out the animal unit permit plan and be inspected every 5 years, they are letting me get by without a manure plan so far but if I had more animals or less land I’d need it for sure.

You need a ‘relationship’ ($$$$ per year) with a vet to get any type of animal drugs, down to medicated milk replacer.

Need that beq (is it?) paperwork to sell to some buyers at the sales barn. It’s less of a deal now I think than it originally was, but it sure was a deal early on.

Dairy neighbor has to be inspected for animal welfare once a year this non farm inspector can shut him down if he feels like it. In addition to the regular milk inspector. This welfare stuff applies to his calves/ feeders since on the same farm. I’m sure it’s on the horizon for all beef or critters?

Neighbor got inspected because ‘he didn’t keep manure far enough away from a tile intake.’ But then the inspector couldn’t say what field, where, so it appeared to be a witch hunt, but it still was a tough confrontational situation with regulatory threats. My neighbor couldn’t ’show the inspector where’ because my neighbor had no idea what it was about.

Paul

Things are sure different where you live. The vet and antibiotic part, yes, but that's the only part of it that applies to beef in Michigan. We have a premisis ID and they have to have an RFID tag to leave the farm, but it's been that way for so long that we don't even think about it anymore. When we get to the sale barn and pull up to unload, they just say "Got their ear rings?". That's all there is to it. If they don't have tjhem in, they'll put them in for you for $5. $8 if you don't have tags and have to use theirs. If you use theirs, they need your premises ID number.

The animal welfare stuff doesn't apply to dairy here either. The state milk inspector has the power to do something about it if it appears that your dairy cattle are being abused or neglected, but otherwise, you're not going to be bothered unless somebody calls local animal control and reports you. I know one guy why had a complaint filed on him for his cow calf herd about 20 years or more, because he had a couple of thin old cows, and he said it was the state milk inspector who came out because of that complaint. The inspector told him not to worry about it, he was fine.

You need a manure management plan if you have enough "animal units" to be considered a confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) , but the species of animal determines the number required to be called an animal unit. More hogs than cows, more poultry than hogs.

 

[cjunrau]

I wonder which part of the chain you're talking about. Except for the antibiotics, I don't see a whole lot there that pertains to cow/calf? Do you have any cattle Paul?

That depends on where you are. If you have more than a certain amount of cattle you must have a manure plan here. Need a manifest to transport cattle, need a dumb number to sell, buy etc. all so the feds can come in and do what they want. Need a vet check your yard every year for a $3-400 charge. For me I hide under the radar and get all my needs from my brothers who have 100+ cows/. I have 10. I live in the booneis and so far have gotten away with it. when I sell at the auction they write there own number in the paper work and keep there mouth shut. some day that will end and we will be paying out of pocket or just sell out. I find all this antibiotic nonces is crazy. At the cost of it who other than the big time guys would use it on every animal. I know the feedlots use a whole lot of it and every calf gets a shot as it comes there, whether it needs it or not. My dad has only 14 cows left and a 16 thousand dollar bull. Vet didn't want to give him penicillin for an abscess without her coming and doing her LOOK around garbage. she would come in a week. In the meantime who cares about the bull. My dad wouldn't stand for it and eventually she gave him one does only. He went to my brother after that and got a bottle like I always do.

 

[TheBartman47]

The milk mustaches a few decades ago. Seems everyone has a check off these days, they get into promotions off and on.

Rrlund, I’m not sure what you are asking of me.

Paul

Yep...

 

[Rbellucci]

Way too early. Corn and weather are wild cards. November prices are a guess right now.

 

[john in la]

What gets me is while inputs are up some; cattle are selling for all time record prices. Then something happens that brings cattle prices down a few cents per lb but still well above normal prices and all of a sudden everyone that owns a cow is going bankrupt.

 

[moresmoke]

In the 1990s the big advertisements were for beef... just pointing out it goes in cycles, waves, not that any one particular product replaces all others, not even for a time, but rather simply a slightly higher market share percentage that changes over time.

I wonder what they are doing with the checkoff dollars right now? No need to advertise.