Farmall 560 wide front question

[165Massey]

Can anyone tell me what wide fronts fit 1959 Farmall 560 ? I’ve been looking and can’t find anything. Looking for a Schwartz maybe but I do t know what other models fit or is there a wide front everyone likes ? I’m gunna keep the smaller tires up front if that helps

 

[Janicholson]

From a Farmall M to the last big frame 1500 series IIRC they are the same. Jim

 

[DeltaRed]

There are atleast 6 'styles/types to choose from. 3 styles of IH. The 'old style'(tierods in front); the new style(Tie rods in rear). One will have the cast type M style hub,the other will have the newer 6/8 bolt hub/wheel. There is the Swarts(most common);Norden; Speeco. There may even be others,depending on your area.Example: In Northeast Colorado(Ault) where I grew up, there was Heberlien Manufactureing that also made wide fronts.There were several of the Heberlien in the area . Wide fronts were more common in furrow irrigated areas where they grew onions,sugar beets potatoes.....Than they were in the corn belt of the midwest.As Jim said,anything from M through 1256.

 

[165Massey]

Thanks for the good info. I am in Indiana and have always had Masseys so I’m no yo the IH world

 

[Hayfarmer]

Thanks for the good info. I am in Indiana and have always had Masseys so I’m no yo the IH world

I bought a 560 for parts a few years back It had a later type IH wide front, tie rods on the back of axle. The only difference seemed to be in the "saddle" on the rear. The one I got had a bunch of spacer plates where saddle mounted to tractor frame. It fit my SMTA perfectly without the pacers. There were probably 2 " or more of spacers on each side.

 

[165Massey]

I’m looking at one off a 806

 

[165Massey]

Looks like this

 

[used red MN]

Looks like this

Just FYI, that’s an aftermarket wide front a Schwartz or Speeco. Nothing wrong with it, in fact I believe the spindles on those are a bit more resistant to breaking than the stock IH front end. The give away is the center pivot that bolts to the frame is a weldment, on a stock IH axle the center is cast.

 

[Mark EC.IN]

Looks like this

I'm 90% sure that is a Swartz front end. It looks identical to the one on my 560 which has been on the tractor since the mid-70s. I did have to replace the tie rods a few years back (no problem getting parts), but other than that it has been fine. I might also add the tractor has had a loader on it for most of that time.

 

[caterpillar guy]

If no loader why change it ? The old wives tale of tipping is a myth and is not an issue. The narrow will turn much shorter than the wide front and some of the wide fronts will not turn very short at all. ones with the tierods in front are wider turning than the ones in back.

 

[165Massey]

I have a loader for it

 

[Mark EC.IN]

If no loader why change it ? The old wives tale of tipping is a myth and is not an issue. The narrow will turn much shorter than the wide front and some of the wide fronts will not turn very short at all. ones with the tierods in front are wider turning than the ones in back.

I agree that a tricycle will turn shorter, and I never liked the tie rods in the front, but I disagree that a wide front will roll over just as easily as a narrow front, that is not an old wive's tale. I do think the person behind the steering wheel is the biggest factor, but a wide front is more forgiving.

 

[Janicholson]

I agree that a tricycle will turn shorter, and I never liked the tie rods in the front, but I disagree that a wide front will roll over just as easily as a narrow front, that is not an old wive's tale. I do think the person behind the steering wheel is the biggest factor, but a wide front is more forgiving.

Incrementally true. The key is ballasting and rear wheel spacing. by the time a wide front gets to the limit of the front axle pivot stops, the tipping is assured. The wide fronts that do resist tipping are the European designs with springs, and very modern big tractors with suspensions. Jim

 

[Brendon-KS]

I agree that a tricycle will turn shorter, and I never liked the tie rods in the front, but I disagree that a wide front will roll over just as easily as a narrow front, that is not an old wive's tale. I do think the person behind the steering wheel is the biggest factor, but a wide front is more forgiving.

Very true and easily proved by math and geometry. Having the tipping axis from the rear tire to the wide front axle oscillation point instead of along the ground to the tricycle front end has the same effect on stability as lowering the center of gravity.

 

[165Massey]

 

[165Massey]

Does anyone know what this fits ?

 

[DeltaRed]

'Old style' IH wide front. Early one at that,due to the cast center.Most likely from an early M,would work on a 560,but you would need to drill about 4 holes in the lower frame rails.It has some odd hubs/wheels. Need more pics.They are not the best. Pass it by,keep looking.Measure the set back plate and the pitman,as that could have been on an H. Not likely,but possible.

 

[DeltaRed]

'Old style' IH wide front. Early one at that,due to the cast center.Most likely from an early M,would work on a 560,but you would need to drill about 4 holes in the lower frame rails.It has some odd hubs/wheels. Need more pics.They are not the best. Pass it by,keep looking.Measure the set back plate and the pitman,as that could have been on an H. Not likely,but possible.

Further examination says the original spindles have been cut off,and automotive type spindles have been welded on.Most likely to use more modern wheels.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Does anyone know what this fits ?

Doesn't matter. Just walk away from that one. Do not waste your time with the old style H/M wide fronts. They are notorious for needing 40 acres to turn the tractor around.

 

[Duane NC OH]

we put a wfe from a 656 under our 560 many years ago.
worked well.

good luck!