Filter settings that stay set

cpratt

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The filter settings are the filter option you see to the upper right on the forum/thread list page. It was requested that this be made so that once set to First message, it would stay set to that as you move from forum to forum. This is complete but it is not implemented for use yet. We are awaiting a test system to install on first so changes won't be dumped on the production system with all their unanticipated side effects. I would expect that by mid-week, we will have that, can test, then install.
 
The filter settings are the filter option you see to the upper right on the forum/thread list page. It was requested that this be made so that once set to First message, it would stay set to that as you move from forum to forum. This is complete but it is not implemented for use yet. We are awaiting a test system to install on first so changes won't be dumped on the production system with all their unanticipated side effects. I would expect that by mid-week, we will have that, can test, then install.

Umm
It appears to be active now??
 
Umm
It appears to be active now??
From what I can tell, it doesn't, I just tried it. Put the filter on Site Comments and it sorted by the starting date of the thread, then went to Tractor Talk and it was back to sorted by the replies. If you have found a way to make it stick, let me know because there are negatives in the way I've implemented it. If you turn on the option on in preferences, it will force the filter to always be First message no matter how you set the filter settings. That makes it very difficult to follow thread currency when the threads are coming fast. It was a flaw in Classic view (only way it could be done with that file structure) that people got used to as a way of tracking threads. It makes the list very consistent seeming at the expense of keeping up with posts.
 
From what I can tell, it doesn't, I just tried it. Put the filter on Site Comments and it sorted by the starting date of the thread, then went to Tractor Talk and it was back to sorted by the replies. If you have found a way to make it stick, let me know because there are negatives in the way I've implemented it. If you turn on the option on in preferences, it will force the filter to always be First message no matter how you set the filter settings. That makes it very difficult to follow thread currency when the threads are coming fast. It was a flaw in Classic view (only way it could be done with that file structure) that people got used to as a way of tracking threads. It makes the list very consistent seeming at the expense of keeping up with posts.

Here is what I did:
I clicked "New Posts" button upper left.
Then I went to filters and checked the "save as default" box only.

Now, no matter how many times I click different categories, all of the threads are newest at the top and descending thereafter.

But when I go into a thread it appears to land on random posts. Not the newest post in the thread.

Maybe what I did already existed but I never noticed?
 
Here is what I did:
I clicked "New Posts" button upper left.
Then I went to filters and checked the "save as default" box only.

Now, no matter how many times I click different categories, all of the threads are newest at the top and descending thereafter.

But when I go into a thread it appears to land on random posts. Not the newest post in the thread.

Maybe what I did already existed but I never noticed?
I'll check it out. Sounds like you found a place that offers a save. The place we were looking didn't.
 
Here is what I did:
I clicked "New Posts" button upper left.
Then I went to filters and checked the "save as default" box only.

Now, no matter how many times I click different categories, all of the threads are newest at the top and descending thereafter.

But when I go into a thread it appears to land on random posts. Not the newest post in the thread.

Maybe what I did already existed but I never noticed?
Interesting, they are completely different filters and other types allow saving. The Forum/Thread list filters don't allow saving.I'm betting the Thread filters just aren't saved anywhere since it doesn't really might not make sense to others outside of those who want it to look like Classic to use them for anything but a quick alternate view. I can't say why, other than familiarity, people would want the First message filter on all the time. It will make a popular but older thread (like even one from yesterday) out of sight out of mind even though many may be posting to it. I would guess the developers may have taken that mindset and thus didn't feel it a logical idea save those options anywhere. All the options in the Thread filters would have some side effect of hiding future content. With classic in tales, we just deleted anything older so not seeing the older conversation's new replies was not a concept, no one could communicate on "yesterday's" thread because few would see it. Even if someone did post on threads that hadn't been pruned, no one would have seen them because they would have been on a different page.

Interestingly from your experience there, being able to save even these other filters, also sounds like it too will hide content and leave the person in a position where they may not remember how to get it turned off. My new preference to hold the thread, will probably end up causing an issue for people in the future if they use it and find themselves left out of conversations that are long running (again a concept that couldn't exist on classic, nothing could be a long running conversation. In normal forums, some conversations may go on for weeks or even months. I show it in preferences as "Not Recommended" and I'm figuring that only those who really have to have the classic view order to make sense of things based on their habits, will use it.

For all I know, by the time I get it in, no one will want it if they've gotten used to the normal way forums work, which now I'm starting to realize is as it is for a reason and also that we were restricting conversations by the use of the classic view software. It explains why people find threads older than a day or two disturbing.
 
I was on tractor talk and Tales yesterday, and I set the filter for first message, and it did that. I opened a thread and read it. hit the back button to the top, clicked on the category, and went back to the main page, but the threads were the same as they were before I used the filter. And I just came back today, and it is still the same. I hope the fixes come on soon.
 
I was on tractor talk and Tales yesterday, and I set the filter for first message, and it did that. I opened a thread and read it. hit the back button to the top, clicked on the category, and went back to the main page, but the threads were the same as they were before I used the filter. And I just came back today, and it is still the same. I hope the fixes come on soon.
The fix makes it so you can't see anything except with first message set. That's one if it's flaws. If you need to get current information, you still will only get first message. For those who want that functionality, it shouldn't matter.
 
What I want to do it read the starting post of each thread as posted in order. They are posted by the last post on the thread when I open the forum. When I select first post they are posted in that order after I select "filter". When done reading the thread, I use the up arrow to get to the top, click the forum name, and when I get back to the forum, it is jumbled up again. And I have to select filters again and go through the same old routine all over again. I am not going to waste what little time I have left on this green Earth fixing your problems.....
Some times you should just leave well enough alone.
 
What I want to do it read the starting post of each thread as posted in order. They are posted by the last post on the thread when I open the forum. When I select first post they are posted in that order after I select "filter". When done reading the thread, I use the up arrow to get to the top, click the forum name, and when I get back to the forum, it is jumbled up again. And I have to select filters again and go through the same old routine all over again. I am not going to waste what little time I have left on this green Earth fixing your problems.....
Some times you should just leave well enough alone.
The change to fix that has not been made. I posted this thread to let people know it's coming. It's not here yet though.
 
The change to fix that has not been made. I posted this thread to let people know it's coming. It's not here yet though.
When the change was first made to the new forums, after I found out about the filter, it worked pretty good until this last weekend. Now, to go back to the forum and read another thread, you have to click on 6 buttons, before, at least you only had to hit 3 buttons.
 
When the change was first made to the new forums, after I found out about the filter, it worked pretty good until this last weekend. Now, to go back to the forum and read another thread, you have to click on 6 buttons, before, at least you only had to hit 3 buttons.
The change I will be putting in makes it so the filter stays set permanently. It has been delayed because we still don't have a test system to try it on first. By this weekend that feature will be available.
 
Oh the challenges of living first world problems.:):cool::thankyou:
I tell my son that all the time, but it still helps me to be reminded of it too.

BTW, I should get this filter persistence change in today since the new development server was created last night. Just checking it out now and we'll be able to test and install new changes. I'd estimate this morning or afternoon but I'll start a new thread on how to use it when it's in.
 
I must be living in a parallel universe. I have no idea what "filters" are, and have made no settings or adjustments related to them, yet the forums are working perfectly for me and doing everything I want them to do. Still learning a few little tricks along the way, but overall I think the new set up is working GREAT!!
Thanks for finally getting it switched over!
 
I must be living in a parallel universe. I have no idea what "filters" are, and have made no settings or adjustments related to them, yet the forums are working perfectly for me and doing everything I want them to do. Still learning a few little tricks along the way, but overall I think the new set up is working GREAT!!
Thanks for finally getting it switched over!

Ditto.
 
I must be living in a parallel universe. I have no idea what "filters" are, and have made no settings or adjustments related to them, yet the forums are working perfectly for me and doing everything I want them to do. Still learning a few little tricks along the way, but overall I think the new set up is working GREAT!!
Thanks for finally getting it switched over!
It's a filter in the Forum/Thread List that allows you to be unaware all new content other than newly posted threads. It was a severe limitation in classic view that became, for some, a way to organize what they read in an orderly way. On classic tales, it didn't matter about old threads because they were gone permanently regardless of whether people were still wanting to talk about the topic or not. The filter option is called "First message". Since it hides content, the developers made it so it turns itself off automatically as is appropriate since you miss content if you leave it on mistakenly. Normally you'd use it for special purpose searches, but it just happens to match the order classic view had by limitation.

You're correct, it is indeed a parallel universe, but you would have to imagine you only used a really old piece of software that sorted things differently for many years. It would be confusing to see new content where no new content used to exist. You can kind of understand it if you think about your email inbox. Maybe a good analogy is to compare these off-topic threads to chapters in a book. You read the chapter and turn the page, you don't expect someone to add another paragraph to the chapter you read three days ago and to have that chapter somehow pop up when you pick up the book again, it is confusing because that was impossible in the old software. Of course, a dynamic discussion is not a cast-in-concrete book. Not justifying, just explaining as near as I can tell why people see new content bringing a thread upward in the list as a "mess" or "jumble". There is a sort of a consistency in seeing the thread list stay exactly the same as it was the day before, but that consistency defies staying current with the ongoing conversations.

I'm on the verge of making this option available to people in their preferences, so that is the only way they will see the forums. It won't have widespread use but those who want it, really need it to make sense of the forums.

The concept of a long running conversation did not exist in the old forums, but of course all forums nowadays have a few topics that remain interesting to people for weeks, months and sometimes even years. With this option set on, people will be left out of such conversations but it's their choice and they can also turn it off if they find it's leaving them out of discussions.
 
It's a filter in the Forum/Thread List that allows you to be unaware all new content other than newly posted threads. It was a severe limitation in classic view that became, for some, a way to organize what they read in an orderly way. On classic tales, it didn't matter about old threads because they were gone permanently regardless of whether people were still wanting to talk about the topic or not. The filter option is called "First message". Since it hides content, the developers made it so it turns itself off automatically as is appropriate since you miss content if you leave it on mistakenly. Normally you'd use it for special purpose searches, but it just happens to match the order classic view had by limitation.

You're correct, it is indeed a parallel universe, but you would have to imagine you only used a really old piece of software that sorted things differently for many years. It would be confusing to see new content where no new content used to exist. You can kind of understand it if you think about your email inbox. Maybe a good analogy is to compare these off-topic threads to chapters in a book. You read the chapter and turn the page, you don't expect someone to add another paragraph to the chapter you read three days ago and to have that chapter somehow pop up when you pick up the book again, it is confusing because that was impossible in the old software. Of course, a dynamic discussion is not a cast-in-concrete book. Not justifying, just explaining as near as I can tell why people see new content bringing a thread upward in the list as a "mess" or "jumble". There is a sort of a consistency in seeing the thread list stay exactly the same as it was the day before, but that consistency defies staying current with the ongoing conversations.

I'm on the verge of making this option available to people in their preferences, so that is the only way they will see the forums. It won't have widespread use but those who want it, really need it to make sense of the forums.

The concept of a long running conversation did not exist in the old forums, but of course all forums nowadays have a few topics that remain interesting to people for weeks, months and sometimes even years. With this option set on, people will be left out of such conversations but it's their choice and they can also turn it off if they find it's leaving them out of discussions.
Is there any hope of the permanent filter setting being implemented this week ?
 

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