Ford 1955-1957 help

[joynerja]

Please help me I'd a ford tractor.

This is what is stamped where the
Serial number is.

860
128261
850-L
<1797?>
<> are meant to be diamonds

Thank you
Jeff[/list]

 

[dmbinva]

860, is a 5 speed live PTO

 

[joynerja]

(quoted from post at 16:49:53 05/03/15) 860, is a 5 speed live PTO

How can I determine the year?

 

[old]

Look on the left of this page under research and info then serial number then Ford then 860 and see where your number fits in the list of year numbers. I'll tell you how to do it but I will not do it for you one of those thing that if you teach a person something then they will know how to do it again

 

[joynerja]

Is the serial number the one under the 860?
Or the one between the diamonds?

Thank you
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[old]

It is the 138261

 

[joynerja]

that would be a 1957 model.
Did the 1957 860 have any special decals?

 

[Royse]

joynerja, welcome to the forum.
I have a 960, the rowcrop version of your tractor.
Yours has quite a few more numbers than mine though.
I would be interested in knowing what the rest meant too.
I'm sure someone on this board will know.
There is a wealth of knowledge here!

 

[old]

From what I understand from the factory it would of had 800 on the hood. Not sure if it would be the power master 800 or not. But over the years people like to add what they want to them. My 801 Power master says just that on the hood or did way back when I got it

 

[shaun wallace]

The "L" is code for LP units. So if not on LP Its had trans change. The diamonds were in front and back of ser #.

 

[joynerja]

Thank you and would love to know what
The numbers between the diamond are.
Even what the L after the 850 is for. My dad said
It was a 1957 850 but he was not the original
Owner. I thought most had the model and the
Serial number. The extras are driving me nuts.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff

 

[joynerja]

I thought the numbers between the diamonds
Were the ser # but is the the other six didget
Number also a serial number?
Thank you

 

[Andy Wickiser]

Only very late 1957 8X0s had the Powermaster decal, they started adding them right before the production switchover to the 8X1 series. Not sure if serial number 138261 made the cut. My 840 SN 144875 had the Powermaster decal - it was there when I scraped the paint down to the original to see what was there. The 8X0 Powermaster decal is different from the 8X1 decal, has the "gear". I don't know what to make of your apparently double-stamped model/serial number.

 

[Sean in PA]

Looks like it's got two sets of numbers from two different tractors.

860 is a model number, and 850-L is another model number. So I'm guessing that the transmission was replaced at some point and one set of numbers was what was on the transmission before it got transplanted to this tractor and the other set was stamped by whoever did the swap with the numbers that were original to the rest of the tractor.

 

[joynerja]

Thanks for the info thus far:
During the blasting of the sheet
Metal I did fined remnants of a power
Master decal on side and model 860 on the
Dog leg.

1 I thought 860's had a two stage clutch.
This tractor has a single stage.
2 if the tractor had a transmission swap
It had to be at the factory, so would have
They stamped it twice at the factory?

Thank you so much for the info
And please keep them coming.

Jeff

 

[souNdguy]

that would be my 'guess' as well.

a donor or transplant part that retained the original info fromt he removed part for posterity.

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 10:18:28 05/04/15) Thanks for the info thus far:
During the blasting of the sheet
Metal I did fined remnants of a power
Master decal on side and model 860 on the
Dog leg.

1 I thought 860's had a two stage clutch.
This tractor has a single stage.
2 if the tractor had a transmission swap
It had to be at the factory, so would have
They stamped it twice at the factory?

Thank you so much for the info
And please keep them coming.

Jeff

What makes you think that if the transmission was swapped that it had to be done at the factory? Has that tractor been in your family since it was new and you know for certain that the transmission has never been replaced since the tractor was bought new? If not, then it could have been changed at a dealership or by a previous owner.

Since the original numbers were stamped onto the replacement transmission my guess would be that it was done by a dealership.

 

[joynerja]

(quoted from post at 09:33:56 05/04/15)

(quoted from post at 10:18:28 05/04/15) Thanks for the info thus far:
During the blasting of the sheet
Metal I did fined remnants of a power
Master decal on side and model 860 on the
Dog leg.

1 I thought 860's had a two stage clutch.
This tractor has a single stage.
2 if the tractor had a transmission swap
It had to be at the factory, so would have
They stamped it twice at the factory?

Thank you so much for the info
And please keep them coming.

Jeff

What makes you think that if the transmission was swapped that it had to be done at the factory? Has that tractor been in your family since it was new and you know for certain that the transmission has never been replaced since the tractor was bought new? If not, then it could have been changed at a dealership or by a previous owner.

Since the original numbers were stamped onto the replacement transmission my guess would be that it was done by a dealership.

My dad bought the tractor from a neighbor
Around 1960. He was friends with guy and
I never remember him saying anything
About that when I asked about the history.
So if the transmission has been swapped
Does it mean I have a 1957 860 with a
850-L transmission.

 

[Tiger Joe]

the factory serial number had the diamonds at either end.

If I had to venture a guess, especially because you are saying you found original 860 decals on the metal

your tractor was originally an 860 and at some point, someone swapped the trans with one from an 850, and they restamped your serial number above the old number.

since the other number is 850-l, that would be the LP version of the tractor, are they any components of the LP system on your tractor? if not, then I think that's further proof of a trans swap

 

[joynerja]

(quoted from post at 11:20:16 05/04/15) the factory serial number had the diamonds at either end.

If I had to venture a guess, especially because you are saying you found original 860 decals on the metal

your tractor was originally an 860 and at some point, someone swapped the trans with one from an 850, and they restamped your serial number above the old number.

since the other number is 850-l, that would be the LP version of the tractor, are they any components of the LP system on your tractor? if not, then I think that's further proof of a trans swap

Thank you for the help!