Ford 3000 brake shoes

[markwolumla]

Ford 3000 SOS Tractor bought new 1970 - 1972
Confused on what size width brake shoes I need. Over the years part numbers have changed , and the internet info can be confusing.
Anyway , the shoes for the 3000 series come in two width sizes,, 38mm or 50mm. I just cant get confirmation on what size I need for the above tractor. (Or will either size fit and do the job).

I just dont want to order brake shoes , remove rear wheels , and find out I ordered the wrong shoes. The correct part and number would be great.

Thanks in advance.
Mark

 

[Sean in PA]

Remove one wheel and brake drum and measure before you order the new shoes.

 

[Sean in PA]

Or, if you don't want to remove things before you order, order both sizes and then return the ones that are wrong.

 

[Ultradog MN]

I just did that job on my own 3000 but can't tell you the sizes.
We still have a local brake place where you can get them relined so that's what I did. Had no need to measure them.
I put new axle seals in the tractor too.
Both sides were leaking and spoiled the brake shoes.

 

[shaun wallace]

The only difference I knew of was 3500 has wider shoes than 3000.

 

[Hobo,NC]

I have done several 3000 but no SOS. What I found the way to identify your shoes is go by where the adjuster fits the shoe. On the slot the adjuster goes in the slot will be round the other part # the slot is square. They will not interchange : ( The hold down nails are in a different position.

That brings up the question cuzz you state you have not looked at them.

"Why are you replacing the shoes"

One drop of oil will contaminate those shoes and you cannot get the oil out no matter what shade tree HACK! you use.

 

[Hobo,NC]

My parts catalog list only two different numbers google them for a pix. The ones I have worked on 68 to early 70 used S.153829 If I made a guess the 66862 fits 65 to about 68.

S.66862
(C5NN2218E, C5NN221BE, 81802510, 81814342)

S.153829
(C5NN2218F, 81815611, 83924863, F2NN2218AA, D9NN2218AA)

 

[Ultradog MN]

I wondered if you would weigh in on this
thread.
You suggested to me last week about any oil
in the brakes will spoil the shoes and I took
your advice.
The guy at the brake place agreed that once
the shoes are soaked in oil they are a lost
cause.
Thanks -

 

[Hobo,NC]

10-4, while researching the shoes I found the lining. I have a few old sets of shoes the next time I make a parts order I am gonna try it.

Enjoy your GOOD brakes : )

 

[markwolumla]

Thank for your replies.
Found this info from parts section on this site.

From this info it seems the shoe for a 3000 after 1966 is the 38mm. (1 1/2 inch) width shoe. (which should be for my year 3000).

The 50mm, (2 inch), width shoe does not say what year model they fit,
only to verify before ordering that you have 50mm installed .
(which tells me the 50mm shoe fits 1966 and older 3000 ).

It seems to me the 38mm and 50mm are not interchangeable , as the mounting holes are different.

I will take member Sean advice and remove wheel and physically check size before ordering,, just to make sure...

I was asked why I am replacing shoes,,,, I dont think the shoes have ever been changed,,,
The brakes were grabing more on one side a lot more than the other.... I did the adjustment with rears off the ground etc,,, Braking was better for a while, then went back to grabing on one side....(not safe on hilly ground)... So I thought I'd take a look in there,,, at the same time replace the shoes...

Cheers
Mark

This post was edited by markwolumla on 09/08/2023 at 09:26 pm.

 

[Hobo,NC]

When all said and done in time I would wager you are gonna be back with the same issue. Mother nature, ware @50 years old has taken its toll. There is probably a small seepage of oil from the axle seal if you look at the bottom side of the axle you will see it. The seepage has not gotten large enough to soak the shoes dust/dirt etc soaks the oil up but its still becomes and issue with the brake lining.

Most will say the brakes are not that good on these tractors and that's wrong. When the job is performed correctly they will lock the wheels up. Its up to you if you want to get the brake performance as good as new.

So you wont be disappointed it takes a bit to break (maybe I should have said brake) them in. On your test drive ride the brakes as they break in and get hot they will come in.

I turn the drums they turn nice and can be performed just like a auto drum a good Finnish on the drum is hard to beat. I will say the drums I have seen on these all have looked nice I could have gotten away with them as they are. I prefer to start out with a new Finnish and get that out of the equation. For what I charge its those extras I do that boost the value.

Its just not about having the ability to hang a shoe every part of that system has a job to do replacing just one part may not be the solution.

 

[Eman85]

Might be a pain to tie the tractor up but taking it apart first is the best idea. Everything in there is 50+ years old so you never know what you'll find, especially if anyone has had their hand in there before you.