Ford 4500 pto

[mikewood869]

How hard would it be to add pto to a ford 4500 with a 8spd transmission and 3 pt? Might be looking at a tractor with a bad motor.

 

[Ultradog MN]

You would be best off taking from the
flywheel back from another tractor and
putting it on yours.

 

[RickB]

That?s the only practical way.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 10:14:38 02/16/19) That?s the only practical way.

Thank you, I know it isn’t practical to do, but since there is a machine closer to me.

 

[Destroked 450]

Does the 4500 have the hydraulic pump on the side of the engine like a 3000 or is it located in the right side of the axle housing?
It makes a big difference.

My 4500 didn't have a pto or 3 point, because of that it not only didn't have any of the pto components in the rear axle, it also didn't have the shafts or gears inside the transmission that operates the pto.
I added 3 point by installing the engine mounted pump, lines and valve from a 4000 with SOS trans, but the parts needed to install a pto cost to much.

If the 4500 your looking at has the hydraulic pump in the rear axle all of the pto drive components are already in the trans and you'll only need the components in the rear axle.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 14:41:38 02/16/19)
Does the 4500 have the hydraulic pump on the side of the engine like a 3000 or is it located in the right side of the axle housing?
It makes a big difference.

My 4500 didn't have a pto or 3 point, because of that it not only didn't have any of the pto components in the rear axle, it also didn't have the shafts or gears inside the transmission that operates the pto.
I added 3 point by installing the engine mounted pump, lines and valve from a 4000 with SOS trans, but the parts needed to install a pto cost to much.

If the 4500 your looking at has the hydraulic pump in the rear axle all of the pto drive components are already in the trans and you'll only need the components in the rear axle.

He tractor that I’m looking at I’m guessing has the pump on the side of the engine (I can’t see the pump, but I see two lines on the right side of the steering sector that are probably going to the pump like on a 3000).

 

[Destroked 450]

That means there's likely no gears or shafts inside the trans to drive a pto.
You would need everything from a non independent pto 4000 for it to work with that hydraulic system. Trans driven pto's on 4000's are rare, their listed in the parts book but I've never seen one.

To put a independent pto in the tractor you'll need a different pressure plate, all of the pto components, plus convert the hydraulics to the axle mounted pump style.

If you really what or need a pto system on the tractor you have, finding a used trans and axle center section from a salvage yard or purchasing a complete non running tractor that has everything would be the best way to go.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 03:13:28 02/17/19)
That means there's likely no gears or shafts inside the trans to drive a pto.
You would need everything from a non independent pto 4000 for it to work with that hydraulic system. Trans driven pto's on 4000's are rare, their listed in the parts book but I've never seen one.

To put a independent pto in the tractor you'll need a different pressure plate, all of the pto components, plus convert the hydraulics to the axle mounted pump style.

If you really what or need a pto system on the tractor you have, finding a used trans and axle center section from a salvage yard or purchasing a complete non running tractor that has everything would be the best way to go.

Is there a difference on transmission? If I was to get any 8spd transmission (lets say) from a 3 cyl 4000 or 3000 (don't know if that would work) and I bolted up a rear end from a independent pto, would that work?

 

[Ultradog MN]

I believe the output ratios on the 2/4000s
are different. 4000 output would be much
faster because it has double reduction
rear end.

 

[mikewood869]

(quoted from post at 04:25:26 02/17/19) I believe the output ratios on the 2/4000s
are different. 4000 output would be much
faster because it has double reduction
rear end.

Only if there were 4000 tractors with bad motors near me... The closest cheap tractor (gas, no spark) is in Pennsylvania.

 

[Sean in PA]

2000 & 3000 8 speeds would only have internal parts for live or non-live PTO, so neither of those would provide what you need for 4000 style independent PTO.

 

[Ultradog MN]

Sean,
I think a guy could use a Lpto
transmission in place of an Ipto
transmission and vice versa.
Ive never done it or taken any
measurements or compared parts numbers,
etc but visually both types use the same
transfer of power through the
transmission. The inner input shaft
provides power to the rear wheels while
the outer input provides power to the pto
and on a 4000 the pump.
The only real difference is through power
on Lpto is interruptable via the clutch
whereas through power on an Ipto is not
interruptable.
If I was in a terrible bind I would not
hesitate to try it.
Of course on a 4000 with 2/3000
transmission you would have a tractor with
top speed of maybe 8 mph and a 2/3000 with
a 4000 trans would be seriously Fast but I
think either would have all the right
stuff for pto, etc.

 

[Destroked 450]

3-4000's have 3 major components in their transmissions to power the live and independent pto's . Input shaft, counter shaft gear and output shaft.
The input shafts are different .
Counter shaft gears are the same.
Output shafts are different.

4000's main drive input has a larger gear that required the main case to be machined for a removable bearing retainer.
2-3000 input shafts have a smaller gear and their main case is not machined for the removable bearing retainer.

Although these transmissions share the same bolt pattern and share some of the same parts they are not directly interchangeable.

Basically if you want to put a pto system on a 4000 chassis that doesn't have one, you'll need to get the parts from another 4000.