Ford 5000 Starting Issues

[cdavis71]

Sorry, this is lengthy. I bought a Ford 5000 for $800.00 with a select-o-speed to rob the front-end bolster off of to put on my 5600. After robbing the front-end bolster, I found another one and put the tractor's front end back together. It had a turbo that I could not get parts for, and the seals leaked oil back into the exhaust valves. I removed the turbo, changed the head, intake, and exhaust gasket, and put brand-new fuel injectors on it. I also adjusted the valves and noticed while checking the timing that someone had a yellow mark on the 30-degree mark, not zero. My question in all of this is if the timing is off, will it cause it not to run correctly? It did run before I took the turbo off, but it ran a little rough sometimes, which I thought was the oil leaking back into the head. It still ran and drove pretty well. When I took the turbo off, it did not run at all. It puffs white smoke when I try to start it, but it will not run; it only puffs white smoke. Did someone adjust something or set the timing differently because it had a turbo? It also continues to emit white smoke after I stop trying to start it. I can shoot a bit of either in it, and it fires for a second. Thoughts or suggestions? I want to sell this when I am done because I think it would make someone a great restoration project.

 

[Destroked 450]

Are you using the thermostart, are you pushing the excess fuel button in with the throttle opens more than half way

What are you going to do with the turbo components and piping you took off
I may be interested in them

 

[used red MN]

You tell us if they set the timing wrong or different from the stock spec. You were checking the timing so I suppose you mean for the injection pump, what is the spec you tell us. Sorry, I don’t have the specs in my memory bank for the millions of designs in production over the years. Sounds like this engine has sat a while. So common theme here if you read much is things in injection pumps that set unused for a time can stick and then not work properly during the “resurrection” stage. D-450 has a good point about the Thermostart. In the shop like that open the air intake and direct a heat gun or hair dryer in there. This will help it start if it is actually getting fuel as the smoking indicates. BTW, you better stop worrying about trying to start this thing, put the beer down and go in the house and get something to eat. You are wasting away!

 

[Robert (ID)]

Simms inline pump, but it looks like it has been changed, did some one pull it and have the fuel screw turned in when the turbo went on?? also did you change the oil in that pump?? ALWAYS check/ change the oil in those pumps..

Ive seen static timing specs on these from 9 to 27.. The one im building is set at 19.. it will start and run.. but the first start is a little growly.. this is with the throttle set at at least 1/2 and the fuel button pushed in.. and the shop atleast 45*F, im still working on the thermo start.. Im debating when i pull the radiator to repair the P/S lines if i should back it down a bit (say 14) and see what happens..

And i agree with used red MN get a sandwich quick..

 

[Bern]

Sorry, this is lengthy. I bought a Ford 5000 for $800.00 with a select-o-speed to rob the front-end bolster off of to put on my 5600. After robbing the front-end bolster, I found another one and put the tractor's front end back together. It had a turbo that I could not get parts for, and the seals leaked oil back into the exhaust valves. I removed the turbo, changed the head, intake, and exhaust gasket, and put brand-new fuel injectors on it. I also adjusted the valves and noticed while checking the timing that someone had a yellow mark on the 30-degree mark, not zero. My question in all of this is if the timing is off, will it cause it not to run correctly? It did run before I took the turbo off, but it ran a little rough sometimes, which I thought was the oil leaking back into the head. It still ran and drove pretty well. When I took the turbo off, it did not run at all. It puffs white smoke when I try to start it, but it will not run; it only puffs white smoke. Did someone adjust something or set the timing differently because it had a turbo? It also continues to emit white smoke after I stop trying to start it. I can shoot a bit of either in it, and it fires for a second. Thoughts or suggestions? I want to sell this when I am done because I think it would make someone a great restoration project.

Just because the 30 degree mark has yellow paint on it does not mean that's where it was timed. The factory spec is 19, I usually go to 21-22ish when I put them on because that's closer to what the later models of the same engine ran. I would suggest checking the actual timing yourself rather than assuming. That said, the timing would have to be way off to cause it not to start. It should start and run at 30, and maybe even at zero, but not much further from that.

The guy sitting in that seat looks like he's been breathing a little too much diesel smoke.