Frontier hay tedder 1316

[MARK ROBKE]

Ok-new search-I'm passing on the Titan tedder and found a Frontier model 1316 tedder. I believe John Deere still supports them(?) Has anyone used or owned one? What can you tell me-good or bad? Thanks, Mark.

 

[deere4040]

Do your research. Figure out who build tedders in France then look for information on those brands. The original manufacturer could have them rebranded under many names. Back in the day Kuhn built tedders that were also rebranded as NH and JD.

 

[deere4040]

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The Frontier 1316 tedder is the same as a NH 163. Which is a Kuhn GF5001TH utilizing the same style tilt cylinder from a GF7802THA tedder. There does not seem to be an exact model from Kuhn and might just be built as is for US market. Being from the Kuhn lineage that is a reliable tedder with several places you can source parts from.

 

[Texasmark]

Ok-new search-I'm passing on the Titan tedder and found a Frontier model 1316 tedder. I believe John Deere still supports them(?) Has anyone used or owned one? What can you tell me-good or bad? Thanks, Mark.

Last time I checked, Frontier is supported by JD dealers....my opinion......a low cost option for implements that JD may or may not manufacture. On a Tedder, there isn't much to go wrong. You have an oil filled main gear box and gear boxes where the blade axles are mounted....some of those are oil filled or greased....I prefer the greased as you don't have to worry about seals leaking. The arms and Tynes are pretty much bullet proof. Some are combination side rakes and tenders. The side rakes tend but also have a side shield that the Tedder can toss the hay over and into the shield making it a Tedder and rake in one pass.......butttt. I tedd to achieve quick drying before I rake. I assume the dual purpose units allow you to do that, like on the tedding pass the shield is raised so that the grass can scatter to both sides of the tractor. After the grass dries, the farmer comes back with the shield down and the Tedder scatters the loose hay into the shield making a suitable windrow for baling.....if that's the case it saves having to buy a rake and a Tedder......my latest edition of Apple software on my computer is responsible for the indiscriminate use of words and capitalization on here....it also thinks it knows what words I am going to type and its a PIA to keep correcting it until it accepts that fact that its wrong and I am right......I hate it!!!!!!!

 

[JOCCO]

Mark I don't know about the frontier one as such. BUT If Deere 4040 is right and it is a sister to the NH 163 or Kuhn model you should be all good. If its used do check it over very carefully for miss use or damage.

 

[MARK ROBKE]

Well, I bought it. As deere 4040 stated, it looks just like the New Holland. It is in pretty good condition, needs a few teeth, and the seller and I bargained a little and we both were happy. Thanks for all the info guys, Mark.

 

[Jim.ME]

Well, I bought it. As deere 4040 stated, it looks just like the New Holland. It is in pretty good condition, needs a few teeth, and the seller and I bargained a little and we both were happy. Thanks for all the info guys, Mark.

As deere4040 posted The NH 163 and Frontier 1316 are both KUHN built units, so you have access to 3 sources for parts. A couple things make sure you install the tines in the correct direction for the rotor rotation. And the newer KUHN tedders have the inner leg of the tines about an 1 shorter than the outer leg. The older tines, like yours will use, have equal length legs. We have started cutting the inner leg of 3/4 to 1 inch shorter and have been seeing less breakage as that lets the two run about the same distance off the ground when the tedder is tilted. You will want to find an Operator's Manual.

 

[deere4040]

Well, I bought it. As deere 4040 stated, it looks just like the New Holland. It is in pretty good condition, needs a few teeth, and the seller and I bargained a little and we both were happy. Thanks for all the info guys, Mark.

The dead give way is the ability to turn in the wheels/rotors when in transport position.

Deere also is?/has dealt with Pequea for tedders not sure on the rakes. It takes a lot of time to track down everything that can be rebranded but the payoff especially when pricing parts is worth it. I think I spent 2 hours on your Tedder making sure had everything right before posting.

Hope it serves you well. They are good tedders. We had 162/163/169 and I now run Pequea TT6100.

 

[Texasmark]

"the seller and I bargained a little and we both were happy."
To this day, if I am "fixin" to buy a used farm product, If I can't "haggle" with the seller, then I won't buy it. I have a used farm equipment merchant from whom I have bought a lot of equipment in the area. I'm convinced that when he sees me coming in and kicking the tires (so to speak) he ups the price knowing I will want to haggle. But that's OK as I figure what I'll give for it and if it's too high, I go home........buttt I seldom leave empty handed.

 

[deere4040]

A couple things make sure you install the tines in the correct direction for the rotor rotation.

I ran my Pequea for 8 years until I figured out the teeth were backwards. Spent 8 years on forums researching, getting opinions, and not once was the idea mentioned that the teeth were backwards. Once I had that fixed it was like having a new Tedder. Could have had a new Tedder with special pricing and financing out of the deal direct from the owner of Pequea himself. It was an interesting ordeal.

 

[Texasmark]

I ran my Pequea for 8 years until I figured out the teeth were backwards. Spent 8 years on forums researching, getting opinions, and not once was the idea mentioned that the teeth were backwards. Once I had that fixed it was like having a new Tedder. Could have had a new Tedder with special pricing and financing out of the deal direct from the owner of Pequea himself. It was an interesting ordeal.

Pulling this out of my vague memory when I uncrated my first one, a 2 basket, the Tynes had their respective sides. On my JD rakes, 600 series, they had a particular position too. If backwards I can understand how they don't work very well.

 

[Jim.ME]

Tedder tines on backwards flex the spring coils the wrong way and lead to breakage as well as reduced performance.

 

[deere4040]

Tedder tines on backwards flex the spring coils the wrong way and lead to breakage as well as reduced performance.

Still have yet to replace one but yes poor performance.

 

[deere4040]

https://www.haytalk.com/threads/pequea-tt6100-tedder-issue-resolved.101299/?post_id=1043741#post-1043741

 

[JOCCO]

Well, I bought it. As deere 4040 stated, it looks just like the New Holland. It is in pretty good condition, needs a few teeth, and the seller and I bargained a little and we both were happy. Thanks for all the info guys, Mark.

Mark That I know of there were two drive systems One is a series of fingers or digits that is the good newer one. The other is a collar with pin and rollers older type. Do check that out and make sure its all tight to the shaft. This is where the outer two rotors connect to the inner. It should do you well and is top of the line brands

 

[MARK ROBKE]

I ran my Pequea for 8 years until I figured out the teeth were backwards. Spent 8 years on forums researching, getting opinions, and not once was the idea mentioned that the teeth were backwards. Once I had that fixed it was like having a new Tedder. Could have had a new Tedder with special pricing and financing out of the deal direct from the owner of Pequea himself. It was an interesting ordeal.

I have seen that before-assembled wrong! Mark.

 

[MARK ROBKE]

Mark That I know of there were two drive systems One is a series of fingers or digits that is the good newer one. The other is a collar with pin and rollers older type. Do check that out and make sure its all tight to the shaft. This is where the outer two rotors connect to the inner. It should do you well and is top of the line brands

It has the fingers. Something I failed to notice - the gear box does not have a check plug for oil level, just has a flat plate on the rear. It does run quiet. Mark.

 

[Jim.ME]

It has the fingers. Something I failed to notice - the gear box does not have a check plug for oil level, just has a flat plate on the rear. It does run quiet. Mark.

I believe you will find the gearbox has grease in it not oil. The Kuhn Operator's manual says something like 0.800 kg of #2 grease, I expect a Frontier Manual will be similar. (I tried to find an Operator's Manual at the JD Bookstore with no luck. The TD1316 parts catalog is available at jdparts.com.

 

[MARK ROBKE]

I believe you will find the gearbox has grease in it not oil. The Kuhn Operator's manual says something like 0.800 kg of #2 grease, I expect a Frontier Manual will be similar. (I tried to find an Operator's Manual at the JD Bookstore with no luck. The TD1316 parts catalog is available at jdparts.com.

That's what I was suspecting. Thanks, Mark.

 

[JOCCO]

That's what I was suspecting. Thanks, Mark.

Mark Jim is correct mine had grease so here is a tip for you. On mine a Kuhn I drilled the housing and put a grease fitting in it so I can put fresh grease in it when I grease it. If its similar to mine and You use it much be judicious on greasing it overall. Mine has the older drive unit so i grease that too.