Fuel strainer

Hello everyone. Been a while since I've had time to work on my '52 8n, so I now have a question. Is it possible to find a new aftermarket fuel strainer that is not a piece of junk? Mine has what appears to be the original (short bowl with a very thick bottom), and after doing a complete tune up, it fired right up, ran a minute and quit. After making sure it still had fire (it did) on to fuel. No gas in the Carb bowl at all. I had already removed the in-line filter installed by the previous owner as recommended by Bruce and everybody on the forum and put in a section of 1/4 inch fuel line temporarily until I could get a replacement. Removed the strainer bowl, cleaned the bowl, screen and gasket and put it back together. turn on the gas and it's pouring down the side of the bowl. I ordered a new strainer and fuel line. quality of the strainer was questionable, so I took the bowl gasket and put it in the old strainer. Still leaked. Put in the new strainer, but used the old bowl and retainer an it still leaks. Any suggestions? This is becoming very frustrating.

Thanks, Jim
 
Be sure that screen isn't between gasket && gasket sealing surface....a common error. If the assembly has been over tightened along life's way, the soft metal housing may be distorted & thus no seal.
 
Turn the knob off fully, remove the bowl & carefully check the groove in the top of the assembly for dirt/crud/old gasket material. Most leaks on a new gasket are caused by:

1. An incorrectly seated gasket.

2. An incorrectly seated screen.

3. A screen just slightly too big . (get out the scissors)

4. Using gasket sealer

5. Incorrect assembly of the screen/gasket

Don't forget to check the bowl rim for chips; if it's chipped, you will never get it to stop leaking. Clean or replace the screen. You can get both the cork gasket & the screen from TSC; p/n 0237144. A cork gasket will work if you soak it first in gas, but I like rubber. Check out tip # 10 at the link below for the correct NAPA part number. However, the newer ones aren't as thick as the old ones and the price is now $4 each. I've got the new ones to work, but it takes a few tries. And, at $4 for a thinner gasket, I'm not planning on using the NAPA gaskets anymore.

Pay careful attention to what JMOR said: see the groove in the lip? That's for the screen. Put it in there & make sure it does not extend over the lip. If it does, trim it, but not too much or it will fall in the bowl. See the square hole in the screen? That because it needs it fit around the square fuel port in the top of the bowl when you assemble it. The gasket goes on next, on the lip of the bowl. Once you get it assembled on the tractor, hand tighten the thumb screw. (if it make you feel better, turn it about 1/8 turn w/ channel lock; no more, or you will distort the bail) Turn the gas on & look at the bowl.

If it starts to fill the bowl, turn the gas off & start over; it has a leak. You will know it's sealed when gas does not flow into the bowl w/ the engine off. It won't fill with the bowl securely on because the float has closed the needle valve in the carb and there is nowhere for the air in the bowl to escape. (assuming the carb bowl is full) When the engine is started the needle valve will open and the trapped air will escape through the carb vent. If you loosen the bowl, it will fill.....and leak.

Do not open the valve more than 2 or 3 turns. All the way open gets you the 1 gallon reserve & that port is usually clogged.

Tightening the knob may fix the leak there. If not, go to the hardware store, plumbing counter & get some graphite packing thread (not teflon) Pack it like a faucet.

All of the above assumes you have an OEM sediment bowl. If not, I'd get one because a lot of the off-shore replacements never work right & the gaskets are odd-sized.

I've got quite a collection of junk sediment bowls around here that were on the N's when I bought them. Nearly every type of leak on the OEM Ford sediment bowl can be repaired. My guess is the previous owners didn't know how or , as is way to often the case with these old tractors., "fixed it" by buying a piece of off-shore junk. It all depends on your supplier; I've never got a bad one from nnalert's. The stems can be replaced. (on an oem style bowl) . But, cross-threading a steel fuel fitting into an aluminum sediment bowl is fatal. Always, always finger-tighten the lines at both the carb and sediment bowl. And then use a flare or line wrench to tighten the fittings. ( see tip # 56). Bottom line: buy parts from reputable dealers & pay attention to what you are doing.

If you get the bowl to seat on a used cork gasket, go buy a Lottery ticket because it's your lucky day. Usually, but not always, you can re-use a rubber gasket.
75 Tips
 
Thanks, Jmor and Bruce. I'm now in the process of cleaning the original strainer to put it back in. That "quality" overseas replacement won't even turn off without using pliers. How important is the screen filter that goes in the tank around the tube? Is that for the reserve? Just curious if I should try to remove the one from the aftermarket strainer to put on the original. It doesn't have one. Probably in the tank somewhere.

Jim
 
(quoted from post at 12:51:26 11/08/20)How important is the screen filter that goes in the tank around the tube? Is that for the reserve?

Yes, for using reserve, most of which are completely plugged up, especially on assemblies that have been in for a long long time.
 
The bowl body has a step the screen fits into of it fits outside that step you will have a leaker... I will try to post a pix on this new system that shucks... (winders' 10)


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It is absolutely 100% plugged up. So I'll not worry about that
one. Probably don't want that last gallon in the bottom of the tank anyway. That's where all the s#@ts at!

Jim
 
OK. I cleaned and reinstalled the original strainer. Only blockage is the reserve. If I understand Bruce correctly, even with the valve on, no fuel should flow to the bowl if you have no leaks. I put in a couple of gallons, nothing in the bowl, poured in the other 3 gallons. Still nothing in the bowl. Something was mentioned about assuming the carb bowl was full. mine is not. Do I need to prime the carb? If so, how? Not like the old carbureted vehicles before fuel injection where you could just pour gas in the top of the carb. This damn fuel strainer is about to spank me. AND taken up most of my weekend!!!

Jim
 
When you open the fuel valve the gasoline will flow thru the bowl to the carb, when carb bowl fills up flow should be stopped by the float and needle. I am using two sediment bowl assemblies hat I purchased from our hosts with good results.
 
I was blaming China for the junky one I bought, then I read the box and it came from India. So I cleaned up my original with some guidance from the forum and used the strainer screen and gasket from the one I
bought and now it's all good. Except now I have to replace the governor... Oh well, it's always something.
 
When you say 'fuel strainer' I think of the OEM brass fuel inlet elbow on the carb where the fuel line is secured into. It has a built-in screen on it that gets inserted up into the carb when the elbow is fastened and is the last of 3 filters/screens designed in the N fuel system. It gets neglected often and when plugged up, will not allow fuel to flow correctly or not at all. You show the fuel sediment bulb base assembly which only has one of the three screens. In the bulb, there is only a single wear part; the APN-9194 Fuel Valve Stem and there is a rubber seal on it that wears out. You only need to buy this and replace it. It is a $6 part and you don't need a $25 bulb assembly. When stem starts leaking, toss it and replace with new. I also advise to get a dab of thread sealant to apply to the little 8-32 screw that secures the valve control knob with. It will ensures the knob doesn't come off while in the field. Old ones never came off. The new Cheena made bulbs and stems seem to come off easily. You don't know it fell of til you get back to the barn and can't see a knob. Other no-fuel-flow issues can be a plugged vent hole on the gas tank, or a valve knob not open 2 Full Turns.



FORD N-SERIES TRACTOR FUEL SYSTEM & POSSIBLE CAUSES OF NO FUEL:
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APN-9194 SEDIMENT BULB VALVE STEM FUEL:
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OEM SEDIMENT BULB ASSEMBLY & VALVE STEM:
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OPEN VALVE STEM 2 FULL TURNS FOR MAIN OPEN POSITION, FULL FOR RESERVE POSITION, OFF POSTION WHEN NOT IN USE:
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Tim Daley(MI)
 
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