Fuel Tank Rust Removal

Hello all. First time posting on this forum. I have my father's 1941 Farmall Cub and am having fuel issues. I have worked from the carburetor backward and discovered a fair amount of rust in the fuel tank. Because it is a Cub, the fuel tank can't be easily removed, so I am seeking recommendations on how best to remove the rust. The tank has no pinhole leaks so I pretty sure if I can remove or neutralize the rust I can get it back to running like it should. I have researched the web and see multiple products for sale that claim they can do the job but before I make any purchases I'm hoping there are individuals here that have worked through similar fuel tank issues. I believe he was using ethanol gas and the last year or so before he passed the tractor didn't get much use.
 
Welcome to YT. Only you know what it looks like inside. Here is my guess without my eyeballs on it.

If it hasn't been open and full of water I would start with a something like a telescoping magnet.

Telescoping Magnetic Pickup Tool

Most of the crud will be by the outlet on the bottom. It's probably dirt and rust both. Take the sediment bowl out of the tank and catch the gas.

If it's a gooey mess that's not rust and you have to dissolve it in much the same manner.

I've never used a rust neutralizer in a tank and I wouldn't unless I was willing to take the tank off, roll it over and around to neutralize what ever I killed the rust with.

Get one of those filters that sticks into the sediment bowl. The reality is these tanks are made to coexist with some amount of crud since the the fuel bowl pulls gas from about 1/2" from the bottom.

While you have the sediment bowl off take it all apart and make sure the top doesn't have a little chunk of crud stuck in it and that it flows through with full volume. This is often where the mystery problem is (you usually can't see it)

Once it is as clean as you can get it keep a decent level of gas in it and always look out for floating crud.

I think DIY tank sealers just make more problems because they come loose because it's not going to be prepped well enough.

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If the rust is limited to the bottom I'd suggest EvapoRust. A little expensive but it works well. Get as much loose rust and dirt as you can then put a pipe plug in place of the sediment bowl. Let it soak at least overnight. Catch what you drain, it can be used over and over till it stops working. Flush it out with hot water and see what's left, you may have to repeat. It's non-acid so you don't have to neutralize. An alternative (and much cheaper) would be vinegar or muriatic acid. Be warned, it may develop leaks after cleaning.
 
Mm-TX and Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. I have taken apart and cleaned the carb and fuel bowl. The card was not very dirty inside but the fuel bowl was completely blocked. With the fuel bowl off and the tank drained is when I found the rust in the tank. I’ll try the scrub and vacuum and see how much I can get out first. Then I’ll move to the evaporust. MM-TX, would you happen to have a link for the screen you posted? Thanks!!
 
Mm-TX and Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. I have taken apart and cleaned the carb and fuel bowl. The card was not very dirty inside but the fuel bowl was completely blocked. With the fuel bowl off and the tank drained is when I found the rust in the tank. I’ll try the scrub and vacuum and see how much I can get out first. Then I’ll move to the evaporust. MM-TX, would you happen to have a link for the screen you posted? Thanks!!

This site is a good source for parts. That screen is available from many places. google Farmall gas tank screen.
 
Mm-TX and Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. I have taken apart and cleaned the carb and fuel bowl. The card was not very dirty inside but the fuel bowl was completely blocked. With the fuel bowl off and the tank drained is when I found the rust in the tank. I’ll try the scrub and vacuum and see how much I can get out first. Then I’ll move to the evaporust. MM-TX, would you happen to have a link for the screen you posted? Thanks!!
As @Mark-Ia said. Don’t vacuum! I was not thinking about sucking fumes into a motor and sparks. Bad idea! Sorry.
 
I flew KC-130s in the Marine Corps as well as running a squadron airframes maintenance shop and am well versed in fuel cell venting and clearing protocols prior to conducting maintenance. Besides, I am allergic to explosions. I'll try to get some before and after PICs. By the way, when I drained the gas out of the tank, it was blood red. I guess from the rust and some red paint that I can see in the tank. My dad had it cleaned, repainted and re-decaled about 5 or 6 yrs ago.
 
This is a pretty common discussion on here. Here were my thoughts to a similar post not liking ago. In this case the OP was also considering a liner (I don't recommend unless you have pinhole leaks). I know the tank is a pain to remove as it's integral to the hood. But I'd still advocate for doing it.

The general consensus seems to be if you're tank's leaking, RedKote or the POR-15 liners are best. But, if it's not leaking (or if you were able to fix the leak via other methods) and it's just rusty/dirty, you're far, far better off to clean/strip and give it a few rinses in WD40 to coat the bare surfaces. Nothing wrong with a liner if the prep work's done right and the tank is properly stripped/cleaned before applying it. But there are oodles of horror stories of liners not put in properly that start to disintegrate and plug up the fuel system after several years. Prep work is key, regardless of brand.

I have an old Fiat convertible I'm still running off a boat tank in the back seat because the PO did a lousy job prepping for the liner. It started to dissolve, and once they start to dissolve it's a huge pain to try and get it all stripped out. I've had to strip a few liners out of tractor tanks after they've started to degrade and plug up the fuel system. It's a nightmare to get them fully stripped, and thus I've procrastinated on doing the Fiat. In the future I'll probably avoid buying any tractor or vehicle that someone else has put a liner in, because there's a good chance they didn't do the prep work properly and I'll just end up fighting it in a few years. The acids and chemicals you need to strip a poorly-done liner are not friendly to anything, and it's a long, tedious process. Again: If it's not leaking, don't put a liner in it.

To clean, strip, and prep for a liner (or to clean a rusty tank even if you're not using a liner) there's a big difference in what works best, depending on whether the tank is full of rust, grime, or (more likely) both. For pure rust, it's hard to beat a good acid. Hydrochloric/muriatic seems to be a popular choice, but I prefer phosphoric (naval jelly) as it converts any remaining bare metal into iron 3 oxide, which is more stable and prevents further corrosion (compared to regular rust, which is primarily iron 2 oxide).

If, however, there's any grime/sludge in there, neither acids nor any off-the-shelf rust-remover will touch it. I've found the best stuff for this is a high-strength degreaser. There's a degreaser that comes in purple jugs called 'super clean' that works wonders, but I'm sure other degreasers will do just as well. If there's a combination of rust and sludge, the rust removers and acids won't work until the sludge is removed first.

My method is probably not perfect, but I've had good luck with it: First, pressure wash as well as you can to remove all loose/chunkular bits. After pressure washing, drain the water and use the degreaser: Pour some in, swirl it around, let sit for 15 minutes (swirling occasionally), drain, repeat about 3-4 times. Remember that huge volumes of product aren't required. More rinses with smaller amounts are far better than one big rinse with a pile of product. One 4 quart jug of the purple stuff is more than enough for one tank.

After draining the degreaser for the last time, air dry as best you can with a blow gun and do an acid wash. Similar process to the degreaser, unless the tank's incredibly rusty, in which case I strap the tank to my cement mixer with the acid and a handful of bolts/length of chain inside and let it tumble itself clean. Make sure whatever you put in there to tumble is magnetic, because it makes it a lot easier to remove if you can use a magnetic pickup tool. I once foolishly put some stainless bolts in a tank that had a really awkward inset filler cap, and it took ages to shake them out.

Once done the acid wash, I rinse well with water and quickly air dry again with a blow gun as thoroughly as possible. It could be argued it's also best to neutralize the acid with a baking soda wash. But given that any acid you use will be aqueous/water-based, you should get it diluted and cleaned out sufficiently with decent rinses.

If you're not using a liner, I then do a rinse with WD40. It displaces any remaining moisture. It also coats any bare metal to prevent rusting, and penetrates its way into any crevices/seams. If you're using a liner, obviously avoid the WD40 and go to the etching compound step of the liner.

The best way to prevent future rusting is to keep it full, but if for any reason I'm not planning on keeping a tank full (and I'm not using a liner), I'll give it one last rinse with two-stroke oil to further coat any bare metal.

I've somewhat lost patience for the store-bought rust removers ('Evap-O-Rust', or similar products). They work ok...ish... for light surface rust. But for any heavier rust they aren't nearly as effective as acids and a good tumble with bolts/chain. And just to re-emphasize: The rust removers won't do anything to touch grime/gunk, and can't access the rust if there's grime caked on top. The grime has to be cleaned off first using a degreaser.
 
If it isn't leaking and you are willing to clean out the sediment bowl often for a while, take the extension pipe and filter going into the tank off and let the rust drain into the bowl. You might add an inline paper filter after the bowl just in case. If there are no chunks big enough to plug the hole it should clean out pretty well with a few tanks of gas. My humble opinion, I'm not sure the standpipes offer long term protection since it allows rust and dirt to fill the bottom of the tank and not get drained into the sediment bowl.
 
Daniel and all, I really appreciate the info and suggestions. I’ll keep you posted on my progress. This is a side project until I get our master bathroom referb completed.
 
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