Gas tank question

[Mike(NEOhio)]

My fuel supplier's new policy it no orders for less than 200 gallons and my tank is 175. Just got a deal on a 50 gallon TSC transfer tank and an unused 12v pump. Going to place it in the stand under the gravity tank so I can get the 200 gallons. I can fill the Oliver only when the old tank is above half due to the height so when it's too low I'll run it into the 50 gallon and use the pump. The tank was used some but the pump never set up. It needs a pickup tube and I'm wondering what to use. Just a piece of pipe? Will it need a strainer or valve at the bottom? Filter in the line? Is there some kind of power converter that will work of 120v from a nearby building or should I just use a battery and keep it charged. Some of my tractors are 6v so using the tractor battery is a no-go. Any ideas welcome.

 

[matthies]

How big is the fill hole on the 50 gallon ?? The bulk trucks nozzle may not fit. Just a thought.

 

[used red MN]

Is the pump also from tractor supply? Does it have the manufacturers name on it? If it does I would look online for instructions by the manufacturer.

 

[Steve in VA]

My fuel supplier's new policy it no orders for less than 200 gallons and my tank is 175. Just got a deal on a 50 gallon TSC transfer tank and an unused 12v pump. Going to place it in the stand under the gravity tank so I can get the 200 gallons. I can fill the Oliver only when the old tank is above half due to the height so when it's too low I'll run it into the 50 gallon and use the pump. The tank was used some but the pump never set up. It needs a pickup tube and I'm wondering what to use. Just a piece of pipe? Will it need a strainer or valve at the bottom? Filter in the line? Is there some kind of power converter that will work of 120v from a nearby building or should I just use a battery and keep it charged. Some of my tractors are 6v so using the tractor battery is a no-go. Any ideas welcome.

As to power, if your Oliver is 12v, there you are. A pair of alligator clips on the pump and ready.

 

[cjunrau]

My fuel supplier's new policy it no orders for less than 200 gallons and my tank is 175. Just got a deal on a 50 gallon TSC transfer tank and an unused 12v pump. Going to place it in the stand under the gravity tank so I can get the 200 gallons. I can fill the Oliver only when the old tank is above half due to the height so when it's too low I'll run it into the 50 gallon and use the pump. The tank was used some but the pump never set up. It needs a pickup tube and I'm wondering what to use. Just a piece of pipe? Will it need a strainer or valve at the bottom? Filter in the line? Is there some kind of power converter that will work of 120v from a nearby building or should I just use a battery and keep it charged. Some of my tractors are 6v so using the tractor battery is a no-go. Any ideas welcome.

I use the battery on all my vehicles. if filling jerry can I park my truck there and use that battery. as far as 200 gallons i would look for a new supplier. Other option is use the 50 gallon to go get it from cardlock.

 

[rrlund]

Can you plumb it so you can fill the 6v tractors from the overhead and the 12v tractors using the pump?

 

[Jim.ME]

My fuel supplier's new policy it no orders for less than 200 gallons and my tank is 175. Just got a deal on a 50 gallon TSC transfer tank and an unused 12v pump. Going to place it in the stand under the gravity tank so I can get the 200 gallons. I can fill the Oliver only when the old tank is above half due to the height so when it's too low I'll run it into the 50 gallon and use the pump. The tank was used some but the pump never set up. It needs a pickup tube and I'm wondering what to use. Just a piece of pipe? Will it need a strainer or valve at the bottom? Filter in the line? Is there some kind of power converter that will work of 120v from a nearby building or should I just use a battery and keep it charged. Some of my tractors are 6v so using the tractor battery is a no-go. Any ideas welcome.

A 12-volt battery and maintainer are likely less expensive than a 120-to-12-volt converter large enough to run the pump.

Many of those pumps used an adjustable (sliding tube over pipe) pickup. A piece of black iron pipe cut to the right length will work.

 

[38 Sears Roebuck]

I deliver for a fuel oil company here and we have a 100 gallon minimum. They charge 25 dollars for less than that. We carry several different nozzles on our trucks. I've never heard of a company with a 200 gallon minimum. I'd just get yourself another smaller tank to fill. I'd find a different supplier if that's the case.

 

[JOCCO]

Or find a different supplier

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

How big is the fill hole on the 50 gallon ?? The bulk trucks nozzle may not fit. Just a thought.

Same cap as on my gravity tank. 2 inch NPT for the pump and it looks to be the same size.

Can you plumb it so you can fill the 6v tractors from the overhead and the 12v tractors using the pump?

Probably what I'll end up doing.

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

I deliver for a fuel oil company here and we have a 100 gallon minimum. They charge 25 dollars for less than that. We carry several different nozzles on our trucks. I've never heard of a company with a 200 gallon minimum. I'd just get yourself another smaller tank to fill. I'd find a different supplier if that's the case.

Not many to choose from around here.

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

Can you plumb it so you can fill the 6v tractors from the overhead and the 12v tractors using the pump?

JD A and E4 I can fuel, only the Oliver is too high. I used to just use the 5 and 6 gallon cans and heave them up on the hood but that's getting old (as am I). Probably just use the tractor battery. I don't have to do it that often.

 

[rrlund]

JD A and E4 I can fuel, only the Oliver is too high. I used to just use the 5 and 6 gallon cans and heave them up on the hood but that's getting old (as am I). Probably just use the tractor battery. I don't have to do it that often.

I have a 12v pump on my diesel tank. If I need fuel for the torpedo heater or something, I just drive the truck or a tractor down there.

 

[Fixingfarmer]

I'd park the pickup next to the tank when you want to pump. Dual post truck batteries make it easy. You're talking about using this twice in quick succession followed by maybe a month or more of sitting, maybe more over winter? I wouldn't buy a battery or a jump pack just for that. The jump pack is what we use on sprayer pumps I will say its handy but it costs what a pickup battery does.

The setup you have wouldn't be much different than me having to open the hood and hook up the wires. I have to have a 10 foot run just to get to the front of the pickup since they sit in the back so you could probably be 15 foot away if you wanted to be parked the correct direction. Use good thick wire. Or jumper cables.

One of mine came with the collapsable plastic pickup tube Jim. me describes

a fuel resistant pipe even poly or hose barb with correct length of suction hose will work as well I used a fuel resistant pipe sealant on the threads.

They don't usually have a strainer on the bottom pipe at least that I've seen. There is a small strainer in the pumps that came with mine in a triangular port on the GPI pump. It would gum up first when fuel gelled which was kind of handy you wouldn't fill your skid loader with that mess. It was out of an aluminum tank there was nothing in the strainer other than gelled fuel anytime id look but steel can cause issues.

The fill rites don't have a strainer that I can see but I also haven't had to look for one( I believe that's the brand I have now, bright red the first GPI pump went out after 15 years followed within a year by the diesel pump and my sprayer parts place sells this cheaper red pump so unfortunately both sides match now)

The Oliver has a sediment bowl and a screen before the pump or carb I assume so likely it will be ok without any of that if there isn't much rust in the tanks. Id open the tank and look at your new purchase and see how much is in the bottom.

Since you are setting it up more stationary if you wanted to strain all the fuel through a filter you can alway put one right after the pump. It might not be a bad idea depending on the age of the old tank to maybe run all the fuel through the 50 gallon just to clean out the tank a couple times bone dry if you do put a filter on the outlet of the pump.

 

[joeysmith]

Another option is cordless tool batteries if you have them already

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

Is the pump also from tractor supply? Does it have the manufacturers name on it? If it does I would look online for instructions by the manufacturer.

Yes, the 20 GPM red unit.

I'd park the pickup next to the tank when you want to pump. Dual post truck batteries make it easy. You're talking about using this twice in quick succession followed by maybe a month or more of sitting, maybe more over winter? I wouldn't buy a battery or a jump pack just for that. The jump pack is what we use on sprayer pumps I will say its handy but it costs what a pickup battery does.

The setup you have wouldn't be much different than me having to open the hood and hook up the wires. I have to have a 10 foot run just to get to the front of the pickup since they sit in the back so you could probably be 15 foot away if you wanted to be parked the correct direction. Use good thick wire. Or jumper cables.

One of mine came with the collapsable plastic pickup tube Jim. me describes

a fuel resistant pipe even poly or hose barb with correct length of suction hose will work as well I used a fuel resistant pipe sealant on the threads.

They don't usually have a strainer on the bottom pipe at least that I've seen. There is a small strainer in the pumps that came with mine in a triangular port on the GPI pump. It would gum up first when fuel gelled which was kind of handy you wouldn't fill your skid loader with that mess. It was out of an aluminum tank there was nothing in the strainer other than gelled fuel anytime id look but steel can cause issues.

The fill rites don't have a strainer that I can see but I also haven't had to look for one( I believe that's the brand I have now, bright red the first GPI pump went out after 15 years followed within a year by the diesel pump and my sprayer parts place sells this cheaper red pump so unfortunately both sides match now)

The Oliver has a sediment bowl and a screen before the pump or carb I assume so likely it will be ok without any of that if there isn't much rust in the tanks. Id open the tank and look at your new purchase and see how much is in the bottom.

Since you are setting it up more stationary if you wanted to strain all the fuel through a filter you can alway put one right after the pump. It might not be a bad idea tdepending on the age of the old tank to maybe run all the fuel through the 50 gallon just to clean out the tank a couple times bone dry if you do put a filter on the outlet of the pump.

Thanks FF. The guy just PMed me on FB, said he has the pickup tube and an elbow that he forgot.. Gel is no problem, I only have gas tractors. I have a filter on the gravity tank. Only my COOPs are 6v and I can fill them from the upper tank. Yes, it's a Fillrite 20 GPM. I may have to switch the fill cap and pump locations. Other than that it should be an easy job.

 

[cjunrau]

JD A and E4 I can fuel, only the Oliver is too high. I used to just use the 5 and 6 gallon cans and heave them up on the hood but that's getting old (as am I). Probably just use the tractor battery. I don't have to do it that often.

I have a water filter on my pump. On the suction side. My pump is mounted at the bottom on the end where you would have a tap on gravity feed.

 

[Mule Meat]

I'm with the man that suggest finding another supplier. Seems they could charge a flat rate for delivery regardless of the gallons you bought.
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To power the pump.

No more than you would use it. A cheap system would work.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Let the big tank down so there is no climbing to fill and just plumb the big tank into the smaller one then pump all of it with the tractro battery.Yes I know you have some 6 volts but another tractor or the pickup would work for it. OR raise the tanks. Big thing is if both tanks have vents the tops must be the same height or the lower one will over flow out the vent when filling since it is below the fuel level. If the smaller one has no vent then don't worry about it the big tank will need the vent. I would also plumb a ball valve between them so if you had to epmty the smaller bottom tank you would not need to empty both to do it. I was working for a guy that added an extra tank on a couple trucks and the mounted the first one level at the bottom and had to put a shut off between them so the one with the lower top didn't leak out the vent when they filled the other 2 tanks. So the next truck they were mounted even on the top. no leaks and no shut off needed. They should have just change out the tanks for bigger ones by length and been done with it. they didn't.